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Any team that picks him up runs the risk of catching a lot of shit. Doubt he'll see any endorsement money coming in either.

Michael Vick is back in the NFL. Now all he needs is a team to play for.

Vick, free after serving 18 months in prison for running a dogfighting ring, was reinstated with conditions by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday. He could participate in regular-season games as early as October.

Vick can immediately take part in preseason practices, workouts and meetings and can play in the final two preseason games—if he can find a team that will sign him. A number of teams have already said they would not.

Once the season begins, Vick may participate in all team activities except games, and Goodell said he would consider Vick for full reinstatement by Week 6 (Oct. 18-19) at the latest.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

fuck that fucking fuck

Fuck him and the league, I stand by my planned boycott of the NFL for this.

Umm, so a convicted felon having served his sentence should be held from working in his profession?

He can go work for whoever will hire him, I don't care.
He's not worth any more of my time than this. Fuck him.

mtne wrote:Umm, so a convicted felon having served his sentence should be held from working in his profession?

why not? most convicted felons have a tough time starting over*.


in this case, tho, its more to do with the nature of the crime than anything about serving his time or "rehabilitation".

he crossed a line that many find unforgivable.
if he'd done something more acceptable, like, say drugs, or assault, or rape, his return might not be so controversial.



(*notable exception:: bill janklow...after all, ol' bill only ran over a motorcyclist)

mtne wrote:Umm, so a convicted felon having served his sentence should be held from working in his profession?

Depends. Should a convicted diamond thief be reinstated in his old job as a armed guard for jewelry merchants? Should a pedophile be held from working in his profession as a grade school teacher?

Or, to be less flamboyant, should a school reinstate a felony convicted DUI back to his or her former position of lecturing about abstaining for alcohol?

The NFL is not about football...not for the team, the players, the owners or the managers. It is about endorsements. Vick had garnered enough bad press to affect team endorsements BEFORE this incident, and they were talking about letting him go.

AFTER this incident? It's even worse. Any team that picks him up is not only going to get their stadium endorsements jerked, but the individual team members will not have THEIR endorsements renewed....everyone ends up getting hurt financially over it.

So, in this particular incident, the felon going back to his previous line of work means every single one of his co-workers taking a pay cut, his bosses taking a pay cut and the entire company suffering financial losses.

Should a felon be kept from working in his or her profession? That depends. That depends upon the profession. That depends upon if having the felon in that profession will cause financial harm or ruin to others in that profession or in that company.

While a felon who has paid his or her debt to society should be given every chance to rejoin society as a full member. However, If I found out the guy I am dating was fooling around behind my back and lying to me about it all...how long do you think it would take me to believe that the next time he comes home smelling of perfume, it isn't the same deal?

Peace,
Caliann

I think that the Buffalo Bills should pick him up. Poor T.O. is up there in that frozen no-man's-land this season (sorry T.O. old buddy. Not all of us hate you ). Then send OchoStinko, PacMan, and a horde of other troubled players up, and make Buffalo kind of a punishment/halfway house for bad deeds. The time one spends plaing for the Bills will be proportionate to the severity of one's offense.


Or the Oakland Raiders. There is nothing that can happen to them that will make their world any worse. Vick will fit right in, and given the nature of Oakland, he will probably be welcomed with a parade and gift baskets.

mtne wrote:Umm, so a convicted felon having served his sentence should be held from working in his profession?

When your profession is 'entertainer', and I believe NFL players, like NBA and MLB players, are entertainers, your viability depends on your popularity. Working in Vick's favor, though, is that we the public seem to find notoriety difficult to distinguish from popularity.

Priest wrote:I think that the Buffalo Bills should pick him up. Poor T.O. is up there in that frozen no-man's-land this season (sorry T.O. old buddy. Not all of us hate you ). Then send OchoStinko, PacMan, and a horde of other troubled players up, and make Buffalo kind of a punishment/halfway house for bad deeds. The time one spends plaing for the Bills will be proportionate to the severity of one's offense.


Or the Oakland Raiders. There is nothing that can happen to them that will make their world any worse. Vick will fit right in, and given the nature of Oakland, he will probably be welcomed with a parade and gift baskets.

+1!

especially those fucking raiders.

Caliann wrote:Depends. Should a convicted diamond thief be reinstated in his old job as a armed guard for jewelry merchants? Should a pedophile be held from working in his profession as a grade school teacher?

Or, to be less flamboyant, should a school reinstate a felony convicted DUI back to his or her former position of lecturing about abstaining for alcohol?

These examples would carry more weight if he was being reinstated to run a kennel.

Maybe he should play for the Lions, he still gets to play, but for people that want him punished further hell, he'd be living in Detroit.

/RM

Ypou all forget the myopic stupidity of the average person . He'll apologize and seem contrite and volunteer for everything every chance he gets. Then if he gets his game back and throws that footbaw all apeshit like I understand he used to--his past will become more distant as the seasons roll by. Just win, baby!

And given the NFL is replete with goons involved in shootings and rape and beating up on women, do you really think he's going to be the uber-evil asshole for too long?

The Raiders -- perfect suggestion--perfect for a temporary boost of their weak-ass, once felonious, image.

Vick will be fine as llong as he plays well--millions of dumb jellybrains will guarantee that.

Zer0 wrote: And given the NFL is replete with goons involved in shootings and rape and beating up on women, do you really think he's going to be the uber-evil asshole for too long?

+1!

mtne wrote:Umm, so a convicted felon having served his sentence should be held from working in his profession?

A convicted felon, who has paid his "debt to society" has every right to return to the working world. However I would have a hard time working at the same level in my profession if I had served time for a felony conviction, especially a violent one, which I feel is how it should be. I also have a problem with the NFL allowing their image to be tarnished by having convicted felons in what can best be described as a privaleged profession. As has been stated by others, pro sports are as much about enterntainment as athletic competition, and in both fields those that participate are viewed as idols and role models. Allowing someone who, frankly, has so far paid lip service as contrition, the chance to serve in that position again is putting a bad image in front of those in need of a positive role model. As an option, though, if he wants to work in the NFL so badly, why can't he be a down marker, running the chains out to measure distance like I had to when I missed a practice in high school ball? That's comparable to about all a convicted felon would be able to in any other field of work, so that seems fair to me.

There seems to be some assumption here about the non-mother raping dogfuckers in the NFL actually passing as good role models. If I made the mistake of breeding would I want my kids to look up to a knucklehead that has 'throws ball well' on his resume? Shit no.

I still think Detroit would be a suitable compromise.

/RM

Bigshankhank wrote: That's comparable to about all a convicted felon would be able to in any other field of work, so that seems fair to me.

Huh, interesting. Not worth my time to get into tho..........

mtne wrote:

Bigshankhank wrote: That's comparable to about all a convicted felon would be able to in any other field of work, so that seems fair to me.

Huh, interesting. Not worth my time to get into tho..........

Hang on, I sense that perhaps that quote is being misunderstood here. I am not saying that a convicted felon is worth less in society or the working world, nor that they cannot begin their lives on a new page after incarceration and reach higher levels of their chosen fields. I have worked with numerous people, alongside, above and below them in the heirarchy of my work, who are convicted felons, but to a man they each acknowledged that it put them back at square one on the bottom and they got back to where they were after considerable effort. They were not put right back on the fast track to management right out of prison, nor would I hazard to guess that many felons get that chance, why should any be placed above the rest just because he is a media figure? Not that Mike Vick should go back to college (although he didn't finish), and I realize that athletes have a very limited shelf life compared to traditional 40-hour wage slaves, but tough shit for him, get in line with the rest.

Maybe Vick will end up in Shittsburgh if worse comes to worst for Superbowl champion, Hayabusa smasher, and now accused violent sex pervert Big Ben Rapistburger.