So, they introduced E-10 over here...

Post by **DerGolgo** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:18 pm

...and failed.
Big broohaha, start of the new year, E-10 will roll out.
It's already available at about half of all petrol stations, cheapest juice on the lot.
And in a country where nothing can incite the staunchest, most bourgeois middle-class milquetoasts to screaming rioting like the slightest rise in petrol prices, NO ONE IS BUYING IT.

The oil companies announced today, against the strong wishes of the minister of the economy and the law, as it happens, that they'd stop rolling it out to further petrol stations. Because they can't keep up supply for the more expensive unadulterated fuels!! Their entire supply chain is all fucked up by worried motorists voting with their wallets.

Sisyphus · Post by **Sisyphus** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:29 pm

That's encouraging!
Except here, it'll be in every goddamned station at every pump and there'll be no getting away from it. And Americans are unfamiliar with the concept of voting with their wallet. Hell, we're lucky if we get 30% voter turnout at an election.

rolly · Post by **rolly** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:44 pm

As in 10% ethanol? Can't avoid it here. All pumps are labelled with "may contain up to 10% ethanol," sometimes the premium blends have less as a way to entice you to lose more money.

Post by **DerGolgo** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:04 pm

The law has been that all types of petrol may contain as much as 5% ethanol already, but it didn't really have any play in the media.
Regular 91 octane was phased out a while back because the oil companies were tired of refining that and the 95 octane stuff side by side.
So now, some petrol stations that already have E10 are selling it side-by-side with the more expensive unadulterated 95 octane stuff, some only offer E10 for the 95 octane choice.
98 octane and up is still the old stuff.

One of the arguments I heard on the radio that people give why they aren't buying E10 is because they don't get as good fuel economy and it delivers less power...I ask myself what manner of advanced telemetry systems they lugg around on the school run...

Post by **Beemer Dan** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:34 pm

I could tell the difference between the blue fuel (110) and 81 on my 1977 BMW, but on my 2000 model I notice no difference at all in performance in any way. Might be because this one is a cruiser and behaves differently overall, but Clem at BMW of Denver once told me that there shouldn't be any difference at all with newer BMWs, or most stock bikes for that matter. I'm still not sold on that idea, but on the current bike he seems to be right.

Sisyphus · Post by **Sisyphus** » Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:37 pm

Ethanol blends are about 3% less efficient than full-on gasoline. That's actually the least nasty part about ethanol.

xtian · Post by **xtian** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:08 am

I feel a real difference on my CBF between 95 and 98. I didn't feel any riding in france with E10. I only paln to use the excuse to buy a triumph or a Bmw as they officially are the only one "safe" (ok, and honda's but c'mon I already had one of these)

guitargeek · Post by **guitargeek** » Fri Mar 04, 2011 2:26 am

One good thing about living in my bass-ackward state is that can still buy unadulterated gasoline, it's still possible.

Little Car suffered horribly due to my dad running ethanol through it for years, the buna injector seals turned to shit. Viton seals are available, and not all that expensive, but changing them is a fucking PITA.

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So, they introduced E-10 over here...

So, they introduced E-10 over here...