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Not bike related, this might best place to post it.


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more here

http://ohioccw.org/201107214955/cantonpd.html

As soon as I read 'concealed carry' I'm out.

concealed carry comes automatic with handgun purchase in many states (some class required) closest being CT.

This is not about concealed carry but about the cop screaming that he will put 10 rounds in to the guy for being stupid, "I will execute you and not loose any sleep" is my best recollection of the dialogue.

gun aside he would threaten to execute the next guy for speeding?

Canton PD in Ohio in-general, and Officer Harless in-particular seem to have had recurring problems of this sort, and it has been on the national news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk4_1OMK ... re=related

...and what amazes me is that the "brother officers" aren't coming down on this guy... National attention to this sort of behavior by an LEO, it will (sooner or later) tend to affect the credibility and public perceived-perception of the lack of integrity that can (and does) exist in *some* cases.

What bothers me the most about this is that there hasn't been a bigger uproar. Yes, BIGGER.

I was referring to this clip coming to us courtesy of the concealed carry movement. They are troublemakers who love conflict, in the furtherance of their capacity for easy personal violence. Getting a cop to behave this badly is a complete win for the 'victim'.

Pattio wrote:I was referring to this clip coming to us courtesy of the concealed carry movement. They are troublemakers who love conflict, in the furtherance of their capacity for easy personal violence. Getting a cop to behave this badly is a complete win for the 'victim'.

just because it smells of NRA does not mean they are gun promoters.

did you watch the video? can hear the driver tell the LEO "I have carry" but the dumbfuck is so full of himself that he just ignores is and carries on with his rant. Did the "Ohio Gunlovers" make him ignore protocol? They got him to behave badly how? Driver was compliant and apologetic, meanwhile cop was an asshole form the word GO, gun only escalated his demented rants.

Guy was a little uptight, I'd say. I had a CCW permit for a few years, decided it wasn't worth it for this very reason.

I did not watch the video, house is quiet, I may watch it in the morning. I understand that the cop is 'wrong'. I also think that evidently this driver left the house ready and prepared to kill another person, but not ready to be yelled at.

You seem to dislike guns, stereotype you painted is very bias.

Having a gun does not mean you ready to kill someone, in fact having a licensed gun you not likely going to shoot someone since it's your name on that bullet. I used to leave the house with a gun quite often, I'd take it to the range and shoot, than bring it home. Ready to kill? Nope. Feel safer if I have a peacemaker in my hip pocket? Sure! (I carried my target pistol like a good citizen in the trunk)

Problem with the guns is not "GUNS" but a screening process that allows a whack-job like officer "FUCKING KILL ALL OF YOU MOTHERFUCKERS" to have a gun in a first place.

I recon something like 99% of murders are committed with unlicensed guns, back home we had an absolute gun control, no private citizen was allowed to have one, still murder rate was through the roof, people were getting stabbed instead...

If you are going to ban hand guns in general than we should disarm the law enforcement like UK did? But it's never gonna work in this country, there must be 10's of millions of unregistered guns out there. Cops will be sitting ducks.

Let's not confuse transporting your weapons to the range with concealed carry. Owning a target, hunting, or collector weapon need not carry with it the burden of being 'ready to kill'. I would believe any gun owner who says that they do not 'wish' to kill. I also believe that a concealed handgun has no other purpose but to kill, and that you shouldn't ( and most likely wouldn't) be carrying except to be prepared for that functionality. Aside from the best possible outcome of 'nothing', I don't think getting yelled at by a cop is such a bad outcome for going around lethally and secretly armed.

Same argument can be made for riding gear, you are leaving the house ATGATT that means you leave the house prepared to crash and the one wearing a bandana, sleeveless shirt and shorts is a smart man cause he is not going to crash cause he's not prepared?


Not everyone needs a gun, screening process should involve couple sessions with a shrink. Tony's sister (Tony from the mill) killed her self with a gun she got for protection from her abusive boyfriend, she should have never had one, neither should the cop in the video. Problem is not with the "carry" itself but with a process that allows everyone to carry. Just over state line in CT almost anyone can get a permit, like I said before, pass a quick test and any whack-job can be strapped, driving a car, going fucking ape-shit on the driver who cut them off, pulling a trigger...

I know that I will not shoot anyone unless my life depends on it, I want to be able to carry and according to constitution I can, but my geographic location says otherwise.

I'm no cop, but my guess is that he knew how bad he fucked up and took it out on the guy.

"This is how cop's get killed!" he cries, which is bullshit. Cops don't get killed because people don't notify them quickly enough that they are legally carrying. They get killed because people decide to shoot them.

This cop recognized that he had an armed person in close proximity that he hadn't even checked out, and felt stupid for it.

In FastCat's link the cop pulled the same stunt on a non-CCW drunk driving stop. Same screaming about killing the citizen he pulled over. This guy is a total douche and should get the boot. Contrast his performance with this Maine State Trooper's:

http://youtu.be/fyHMbHHtArE

Also, as for CCW, I've carried as MATPOC says, to merely own a handgun in CT requires a CCW. I carry from time-to-time. I hope and pray to God I never have to draw, much less fire, my weapon. But there are bad people out there and if I need to, I'd rather have the ability to carry a weapon than not.

If anyone is going out with any sort of intent on personal violence, it's the guy with the gun, but no CCW. There are plenty of those people around.

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x16549479 ... less-video


Ok it's morning and I've watched the video. Two things look clearer to me this morning. One is that I was confusing concealed carry advocacy with open carry advocacy, which is really who I had in mind with my troublemaking accusation. The other is that the driver in this video absolutely did leave his house prepared to get yelled at, he was totally and plausibly reasonable and submissive in the face of a ridiculous mistreatment. I do think the driver fell short of a successful notification, not that it would have mattered with this bad cop. I believe his intent and his actions were legally sufficient, which is why charges against him have been dropped, but he could have been far more strident and effective with the news. He could have held his license and carry permit up against the glass and said nothing but carry carry carry until the officer acknowledged the notification. I'm not saying he should have to, but he didn't. I also believe, having watched the video, that the bad cop would have harassed, verbally abused, and probably arrested that group for something regardless, because he's a total asshole.

I thought this thread was about a cop on a Kawasaki when I saw the title. I was mistaken, carry on.

I remember the Doom, 2009 lane-splitting stop where y'all sort of pointed at me as some sort of "leader". At least that cop let us all go w/ a warning.

rc26 wrote:I thought this thread was about a cop on a Kawasaki

Yeah, what's the big idea?

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These guys were much nicer, though.

This A-hole shouldn't be a cop anywhere. He's wound up way too tight, full of himself and completely unprofessional. If a citizen says he ought to have executed a cop he'd be in jail. This nazi with his uncontrolllable temper said that and alot more, and he's still in a police car.

Depressing all around

MoraleHazard wrote:I remember the Doom, 2009 lane-splitting stop where y'all sort of pointed at me as some sort of "leader". At least that cop let us all go w/ a warning.

Officer Bomber. That was his name. Really.

piccini9 wrote:

MoraleHazard wrote:I remember the Doom, 2009 lane-splitting stop where y'all sort of pointed at me as some sort of "leader". At least that cop let us all go w/ a warning.

Officer Bomber. That was his name. Really.

Was his name really bomber? I didn't remember....

Also, the vid cop is afraid. That's the sense I get.

piccini9 wrote:

MoraleHazard wrote:I remember the Doom, 2009 lane-splitting stop where y'all sort of pointed at me as some sort of "leader". At least that cop let us all go w/ a warning.

Officer Bomber. That was his name. Really.

He was so earnest and upset with us about our illegal lanesharing! "You guys just can't do that!"


Yeah, we were just following the guy on the BMW, he's like, in the military or something, there's ah, nothing to see here.

piccini9 wrote:

MoraleHazard wrote:I remember the Doom, 2009 lane-splitting stop where y'all sort of pointed at me as some sort of "leader". At least that cop let us all go w/ a warning.

Officer Bomber. That was his name. Really.

I got a ticket from a LEO several years ago who's last name was Magnum (I shit you not). After he handed me the ticket, I asked him if he was related to a PI in Hawaii with the same last name.

He just shook his head, told me to have a nice day and walked off.

rc26 wrote:I got a ticket from a LEO several years ago who's last name was Magnum (I shit you not). After he handed me the ticket, I asked him if he was related to a PI in Hawaii with the same last name.

You would have been remiss not to have asked that.

Good boy, veinte seis!

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I'm gonna need some IDs for these 4 MIB. Seriously. Who's who here?

Oh yeah, and I would wet my pants with a vengeful fury (right before my head exploded) if I weren't allowed to split through all that muck in the background.

Dumness

The tall, distinguished gentleman with the glasses possibly quoting from the Lane Splitting section of the UTMC Manual would be a Mr. Pattio. The safety-conscious gentleman wearing a dapper orange vest would be a Mr. Piccini9. His twin, closest to traffic and possibly mooning the trucks and campers is a Mr. Groove. And in the foreground, getting ready to flick his teeth (or getting some fresh Fruit Stripe gum) is Mr. Kurt... not sure if he's on here.

Nah, Kurt's too cool for the likes of us.

Not sure if we called Moralehazard our "Leader" so much as we blamed his stupid air cooled bike for overheating.

Both my bikes are air cooled. I'd have no choice but to lane split. Sure, I'll pay the fine, it's cheaper than a new head, etc.

piccini9 wrote:Not sure if we called Moralehazard our "Leader" so much as we blamed his stupid air cooled bike for overheating.

It's always nice to have someone else to blame.