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The important criterion is self-knowledge. A person who a) recognizes that are a little bit racist, and b) feels the need to correct himself and c) does something about it is cool. That person has recognized the issue, recognized that it is, in fact, a problem, and works to correct it.
Another person may not even recognize their racism, considering themselves to be cool and all while, even if not shouting out their racism, acting it out unconsciously. Another person may recognize they are a little bit racist, or more than a little bit, but doesn't feel the least bit bad about it. Maybe even feels good about it. Goes around rationalizing why they have figured it out and are justified in their racism. That person has seen the issue, but rather than recognizing it as a problem ignores it or even enjoys and/or is proud of it. That is morally utterly reprehensible, bigoted and the sort of thing that fuels racist violence. I would not desire to spend any time with such a person. Because I find it a moral requirement to tell someone like that what an ass they are, which gets old after a while.
A third person recognizes they are a little bit racist, does actually feel bad about it, but doesn't do anything about it. That person may just be dumb or lazy. But, at least, you can usually talk to them and maybe help point them in the right direction. They might turn around and develop pride in their racism when it is challenged, true, but I see not other moral course of action than to challenge it, nonetheless. Someone who would flip like that was already set on his course by and large, so it's no great loss and the true racist at least reveals himself for the world to behold.

Where do you fit in?

DerGolgo wrote:The important criterion is self-knowledge. A person who a) recognizes that are a little bit racist, and b) feels the need to correct himself and c) does something about it is cool. That person has recognized the issue, recognized that it is, in fact, a problem, and works to correct it.
Another person may not even recognize their racism, considering themselves to be cool and all while, even if not shouting out their racism, acting it out unconsciously. Another person may recognize they are a little bit racist, or more than a little bit, but doesn't feel the least bit bad about it. Maybe even feels good about it. Goes around rationalizing why they have figured it out and are justified in their racism. That person has seen the issue, but rather than recognizing it as a problem ignores it or even enjoys and/or is proud of it. That is morally utterly reprehensible, bigoted and the sort of thing that fuels racist violence. I would not desire to spend any time with such a person. Because I find it a moral requirement to tell someone like that what an ass they are, which gets old after a while.
A third person recognizes they are a little bit racist, does actually feel bad about it, but doesn't do anything about it. That person may just be dumb or lazy. But, at least, you can usually talk to them and maybe help point them in the right direction. They might turn around and develop pride in their racism when it is challenged, true, but I see not other moral course of action than to challenge it, nonetheless. Someone who would flip like that was already set on his course by and large, so it's no great loss and the true racist at least reveals himself for the world to behold.

Where do you fit in?

my god that is SO GERMAN !!
(ok just kidding)

whatever the debate, it didn't mean much 10 years ago or so, but now that racism has evolved into a form of social norm, I really like that this logo makes a statement. When I was a kid, we weren't hippies, but it was cool to consider that the world wasn't just "me me me more more more" and we used to mock the old farts that were scared by change and differences, we were proud to be a minority. But now I must admit that most of my relatives and old friends have become old farts scared of change and differences and they strongly want to remain a majority. so yes, fuck social norm and scared old farts, maybe not 100% but trying as hard as I can. people used to be ashamed to say that they were rascist, now it is considered a shame to say that you aren't, in real life as it is in media. I do not agree.

I know for a fact that this little guy , and the ideas he stands for, has caused the modification of the behavior of at least 1 poster on this forum.

That poster is me. I posted some venom not to long ago, directed at a ethnic group. I posted it, then went to bed. I awoke that night, realizing that through this forum I have met some good people who may feel they belong to the very group I spewed my misinformed hatred at.

As both the people who I may have hurt with my words are both in this discussion I would like to take this moment to formally apologize to both DerGolgo, and Xtian. Two people I have come to respect and like. I am sorry for the words I chose to use in describing the German peoples.

Xtian, I know you are form Belgium. But still, if you took offence, I am sorry. Also, I do not intend offence at this moment in grouping you in with the German.

DerGolgo, I dont know where you are form, but I assume you are German.

Don't feed the troll.

Happycommuter is being a douchebag troll. It's what he does. I have severe doubts that he really believes anything he spews into his keyboard, he'd quote Karl Marx, Himmler, Malcolm X, and Ayn Rand in the same debate if it would get attention.

Trolls like this live to get attention by pissing people off. (Kind of like a 2-year-old, actually.)

Don't respond, it only encourages him.

Ah, that old chestnut...

I love when racists try to justify their racism

You know how the people that decry the most end up being the biggest pervs? Same with racism. The people that are most aghast about it are the ones with the real problems.

Acting as if race is some taboo topic that cannot be discussed benefits nobody. You are Victorian prudes in your inability to discuss realities as they are. Of course the Victorians had awesome style and decorum, you guys just have squeamishness.

Peoples have differences. Why are you so uneasy with that? Again, I think it's because most of you have only seen other races in pictures. They are sacred to you because you find them so unreal, so romantic and distant. They're just people. They have senses of humor, so admittedly they are better than you in that way.

Also, I saw this today and the synchronicity was too much.

thrasherbill wrote:You didn't address this.

thrasherbill wrote:How the fuck do you breathe with your head so far up your ass?

Although I wouldn't really call it a concern.

Still waiting....

Racism is poo, it comes naturally but it doesn't mean you have to be proud of it and throw it at other's people face.
And Jojo, I don't even know what you are talking about.

happycommuter wrote: Acting as if race is some taboo topic that cannot be discussed benefits nobody. You are Victorian prudes in your inability to discuss realities as they are. Of course the Victorians had awesome style and decorum, you guys just have squeamishness.

Actually, discussing racism is NOT a taboo here, as seen in this thread and others.
It just doesn't come up that often since it rarely happens on this board.
No one here appears squeamish about it, here and in the other thread, we are telling you what we think about your racism, aren't we?
What we are all upset about, what is a taboo here, is actually being a racist.

happycommuter wrote:Peoples have differences. Why are you so uneasy with that? Again, I think it's because most of you have only seen other races in pictures. They are sacred to you because you find them so unreal, so romantic and distant. They're just people. They have senses of humor, so admittedly they are better than you in that way.

Right, deflecting the accusations, accusing your accusers of equal transgressions to make yourself look the victim to anyone who comes in late. Try and accuse your accusers of something or other that conflicts with their position or lifestyle so they get angrier and look less reasonable. At the same time, find some sorry excuse for your deeds to ensure you portray yourself as having done nothing wrong.
I would consider this a perfect example of trolling, had I not seen other far-right-wing asshats do exactly the same thing.

Yes, people have differences, but race is not a difference based on which you may judge a person. You weren't making a joke when you talked about miscegenation, at least neither I nor anyone else here saw it as a joke, never mind getting it. Unlike xtians comment above, which is as evidently a joke and as evidently described so as possible (more nationalist than racist, though). You had ample opportunity to explain yourself, to tell everyone "was meant as a joke", you could have done that, but YOU did not. YOU chose to jump up and down pointing fingers at anyone who got angry with you, defending your right to be racist. YOU chose to go down this road, YOU chose not to put on the brakes, YOU chose it. Quite unlike your skin color, you had a choice, you chose, and now you are unwilling to live with the consequences of that choice. You go around judging people on superficialities, but demand no one judge you, not even on your very own actions. You disrespect people left and right while, at the same time, demand people respect you and your opinions. You want your cake and eat it too. Well, you can't have that.
Like you cannot judge who any of us have or haven't met, you seem unable to wrap your head around the idea that your are NOT, in fact, a paragon of virtue and reason, that other's are in fact under NO obligation to share your twisted viewpoint, that reality is, in fact, under no obligation to conform to your twisted ideas of it. Quite apart from being a racist, you are very presumptuous and seemingly unable or unwilling to intellectually comprehend that, sometimes, you might want to shut up lest others get even angrier at you.

EDIT: I see you backtracked on your statements in the other thread. Fine. You think you made a statement of fact, of a situation that is. Kosher doesn't mean normative, in my understanding, the vernacular use indicates moral acceptability. You did not clarify that, and it took you quite a while to explain this to us. To me, this sounds like you have finally figured out that you might want to defuse this situation. As for me, you have to make a much better show until I change my mind as to whether or not you are a racist. I have to go to the rehab clinic now and can't read and criticize your latest post in the other thread completely, it may yet change my mind, though I doubt it. Be back in a few hours.

I know about you Golgo, and I know you were forced into a long retreat, but what's the excuse of the other guy for all that spare time to waste ?
And why not play angry birds instead of this ?

I have no TV and a tiny apartment, I live alone, am currently single and the only hobbies I have left I can still exercise, even though with quite a few limitations even there, are surfing the net and playing on the computer. Checking into the UTMC and firing off a quick reply? Less than a minute. Composing an elaborate reply with all the quotes and all that? Less than five minutes. Some people take an hour out of their day to watch a football game, I take less than that to speak out when hatred and bigotry are spewed forth. Which is a moral obligation, especially for someone with the sort of cultural heritage I've got. I'm not complaining, mind. The sky is blue, sodium is element 11 and this is something I must do. I'd feel bad, ashamed even if I didn't. It would feel like that bloody bird hanging around one's neck or not knowing whether one has turned off the stove before leaving the house if I didn't, so I do and feel better.

Don't misunderstand me, I wasn't blaming you, Golgo.
I understood from another thread that inbreeding and the genetic degeneration that it causes might be involved for the other side. I've always been told that mixed children were more resistant and better looking but maybe people were just being nice to me and my parents.

This isn't about race, HC. It's just that you come across as an antagonistic asshole.
What's your deal?

DerGolgo wrote:I have no TV and a tiny apartment, I live alone, am currently single and the only hobbies I have left I can still exercise, even though with quite a few limitations even there, are surfing the net and playing on the computer. ....

Ah, this explains a lot.

happycommuter wrote:You know how the people that decry the most end up being the biggest pervs? Same with racism. The people that are most aghast about it are the ones with the real problems.

Acting as if race is some taboo topic that cannot be discussed benefits nobody. You are Victorian prudes in your inability to discuss realities as they are. Of course the Victorians had awesome style and decorum, you guys just have squeamishness.

Peoples have differences. Why are you so uneasy with that? Again, I think it's because most of you have only seen other races in pictures. They are sacred to you because you find them so unreal, so romantic and distant. They're just people. They have senses of humor, so admittedly they are better than you in that way.

Your ass must be HUGE....


Strike two

Sisyphus wrote:What's your deal?

I was taught not to post something that adds nothing. Hence you never see any "I agree with what somebody else said" posts. And yeah, I find many people on here profoundly unlikeable too and I love that we're allowed to say so.
Oddly DerGolgo and I seem to both post based on our (often) diametrically opposed moral imperatives. The man thinks and I respect that. I don't much care if he or anyone else hates me. To use the cliche, I didn't come here to make friends!

happycommuter wrote: To use the cliche, I didn't come here to make friends!

What exactly did you come here for?

thrasherbill wrote:

thrasherbill wrote:You didn't address this.

thrasherbill wrote:How the fuck do you breathe with your head so far up your ass?

Although I wouldn't really call it a concern.

Still waiting....

Snorkel. It's got to be a snorkel.