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Check this out:
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WTF? hang on...

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Whatever.

Yeah, but can you sew them onto the back of a hat?

Not to take away from the impressive shooting, but the narrator keeps saying "old master techniques" without any historical evidence that anybody ever shot that way, aside from crazy boasts (Fuck knives? Roland cut down 20 Saracens while his brain dripped out of his nose– that's about the level of credibility of the sources cited).

Well, he did it. Faster than a pseudo-hostorical character did.

Oh he definitely did. I just don't think there's anything to the lost superarchery thing. It's all that guy, and it is pretty amazing.

that was totally jangleplatz!

I'm just glad to hear that Stephen Hawking is getting some voiceover work.

Pattio wrote:I'm just glad to hear that Stephen Hawking is getting some voiceover work.

bwahahahahahaaaa!!!!!

Pattio wrote:I'm just glad to hear that Stephen Hawking is getting some voiceover work.

My brother in law has one of those fucking things. I can't stand it. I always want to program stuff into it that'd be funny to hear from a Dynavox, but it probably wouldn't go over very well. Some of Hawking's stuff would be awesome.

rolly wrote:Oh he definitely did. I just don't think there's anything to the lost superarchery thing. It's all that guy, and it is pretty amazing.

They showed the books he got those techniques from..... or did you miss that part?


Secondly, why would he make that part up? Wouldn't you rather have invented a new way to shoot arrows than master an old technique?

motorpsycho67 wrote:

rolly wrote:Oh he definitely did. I just don't think there's anything to the lost superarchery thing. It's all that guy, and it is pretty amazing.

They showed the books he got those techniques from..... or did you miss that part?


Secondly, why would he make that part up? Wouldn't you rather have invented a new way to shoot arrows than master an old technique?

If it was in the books, it wouldn't be a lost art now would it? What he says was that the books said they could shoot 3 arrows in less than 1.5 seconds, or 10 before the first hit the ground, but now how this was done. "Lars Anderson thought if the books are correct then there is something wrong with modern archery. And then he started 4 years ago to learn the old techniques"

Why? This way one gets to associate it with ancient heroes and legendary figures. Great cred. In martial arts there is this idea that ancient mystical wisdom is greater than modern scientific knowledge, so even relatively recent fighting systems often vaguely claim archaic lineage.

rolly wrote: If it was in the books, it wouldn't be a lost art now would it?

Sure it would..... if nobody was practicing it.

rolly wrote: What he says was that the books said they could shoot 3 arrows in less than 1.5 seconds, or 10 before the first hit the ground, but not how this was done.

Did he say that or did you infer it?

'Ancient' is good branding for a martial art, as Rolly says, and it also provides a context for the skills this guy has developed. His new/old technique is of no use in any kind of contemporary archery, so the framework of 'imagine this gymnasium and these frisbees are an epic battle with consequences' is the answer to 'why do this'. He's not going to be earning any military contracts for his work, but he should be able to get an appearance on a cable tv program of History's Deadliest Super Slo-Mos, and perhaps parlay that into a gig doing this in sequins in Vegas.

Some of the criticisms from conventional archers seem to say that he has substituted speed for power, and in this I see a parallel to the handgun concept of having larger and larger magazines of smaller caliber ammunition. In battle, I can see there being advantage to 'more actions' in a conflict with 'minimal and individually perfect actions'. It's a sloppy business.

I still like that cute redhead chick better.

I really like that he has apparently taken the time to figure out something that is rather obscure. I think the skepticism from others in his art is good because is forces him to answer it. The part where he put a rapid three through chain mail is proof that it would be effective in the time frame it was still in use.

The many hits versus one accurate one I have actually seen demonstrated in a contact match for falls between an Ed Parker Kenpo guy and a Traditional Karate (forget the style) the traditional guys first punch was answered with a barrage of small strikes that plainly overwhelmed him. None of the strikes were that precise or strong, but it was effective at getting him on the ground. Conversely the same Kenpo guy was later decimated by a skinny little dude that was teaching some type of Silat. I still have never seen a human move that fast but it was also a flurry of hits to close distance for a throw. Good times.

The biggest thing I like about what he's done is that it explains why archers in historical illustrations look so odd.

motorpsycho67 wrote:

rolly wrote: If it was in the books, it wouldn't be a lost art now would it?

Sure it would..... if nobody was practicing it.

rolly wrote: What he says was that the books said they could shoot 3 arrows in less than 1.5 seconds, or 10 before the first hit the ground, but not how this was done.

Did he say that or did you infer it?

He does not say the techniques were in any books, and specifically only cites anecdotes from them. The leap in logic here is if they did this, and I can do this, then this how they must have done it. Nowhere us it staed where he found the "lost techniques" but you' may note that the title of the video is "Reinventing the fastest forgotten archery"

I can't believe I'm having this fucking stupid argument

Yep, in another video* he references the book Saracen Archery as the source of the three arrows in under 1 1/2 seconds.

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So that is where he got that number, but it is likely a case of technique being "rediscovered" only in the sense that he has found A WAY to match the speed noted in the old book. Not necessarily THE WAY that the guys in the book did it, but A WAY none the less. A better way to term it may be "rediscovering the skills" rather than the techniques.


* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggDfJLB8jTk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bo_9 wrote:
The many hits versus one accurate one I have actually seen demonstrated in a contact match for falls between an Ed Parker Kenpo guy and a Traditional Karate (forget the style) the traditional guys first punch was answered with a barrage of small strikes that plainly overwhelmed him. None of the strikes were that precise or strong, but it was effective at getting him on the ground. Conversely the same Kenpo guy was later decimated by a skinny little dude that was teaching some type of Silat. I still have never seen a human move that fast but it was also a flurry of hits to close distance for a throw. Good times.

Did you see this in person or on video? If on video, I would like to see it.

I just remembered another thing that the 'many hits' concept reminded me of. Before he was a Mythbuster, Grant Imahara campaigned a fighting robot named Deadblow.




The hammer on the top moves really fast. It didn't do much damage to other robots that way, but the scoring was for 'hits', not for 'damaging hits', so the hammer would whack whack whack away and score him points.

thrasherbill wrote: Did you see this in person or on video? If on video, I would like to see it.

It was in person "after-hours" of a small invitational karate tournament about 12 years ago. You know when all the folks are hanging out tossing ideas around. They had the mats and enough people to keep things from getting out of hand so a few had an unofficial round-robin for three falls.
Those were very interesting times.

Rock wrote:Black Karate

Sho'nuff!!!!!

Now, when I say, "Who's da mastah?" you say, "Sho'nuff!"

Seems like he is shooting a "left handed" bow, right handedly. I am in no way passing judgement on this, just making a note, as this is one small part of his speed.

Pattio wrote:I'm just glad to hear that Stephen Hawking is getting some voiceover work.

About ten years ago now, I had a friend go to Thailand to "find himself". He wrote a couple of bulk emails to friends and family then stopped. My other friend and I obtained a yahoo account with the same name and similar address picking up where he left off with the same distribution list. It was an excellent creative writing experience with lovers, lost lovers, motorbikes, drugs, revolutionaries, hookers, hot air balloons, foosball, hallucinogens ('kobi root' is a native plant to Thailand, which when sucked on provides a feeling of euphoria and close-eyed visuals), boxing, gun running, latent homosexual themes, poems and lyrics based on Tom Waits references, lucid dreams with some serious metaphorical shit going on, glory holes, etc.

We took the family off the distribution pretty early on. We were assholes for doing it, but it really showed how easy it was to write when you already had a character/protagonist defined better than any book could.

The only tie-in to the video is that we all used to drink a few beers and smoke, and have the text-to-speech convertor (same voice) read the emails back to us. It was a riot.

Rock wrote:

Snow is kinda racis. Sheet, even his name is like racis. Snow is white, like that Canadian rapper that the detective man say stabbed somebody down the lane. This name might be as racis as that character Sundown in the ... recruitment film Top Gun. Remember that guy Snowjob in GI Joe? He had a red beard! His name sounded like something dirty. Shipwreck had a parrot. I think he had a beard too, which is totally ridiculous. What were these guys, in the Pakistani army? Cobra had that Storm Shadow guy, who wore white (and like a halter top at that). Oh yeah, isn't Dwayne Griffin (aka THE Rock) supposed to play Roadblock in the GI Joe flick that they yanked to throw 3D poo into? Regardless, shooting in the dick is bad form, as that is not shooting to kill.

As to the original topic, I am glad to learn that Hiawatha shot ten arrows before the first hit the ground. I was wondering who the heck he was.

I like it.

Pretty amazing. Thanks for sharing.