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Post by Ames » Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:13 pm

sun rat wrote: can i have a patch too?
Yes, they're going to be unisex.

EJ, the point to pick up on here is that your ex is attempting to alienate you to your child. What she DOESN'T understand is that you're still that little girl's father. All kids want both their parents and if you follow the advice you're getting here and go out of your motherfucking way NOT to shit-talk the ex to or around your kids (because they have bat-like hearing) you will prevail because you didn't taint their relationship with their other parent.

It IS a bitch sometimes, sometimes it's almost a painful physical load that feels like it's crushing your chest because the secrets you're keeping inside are dying to burst out, but you think of your daughter first and then, like I said, the rest is easy.


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Post by ejworthen » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:19 am

By posting my story I fully expected and truly appreciate all the comments, criticism, and support. As has been pointed out, I've made some poor choices, but I believe I've acknowledged that. Trust me when I say I've recognized those mistakes and don't plan on making them again.

I've tried to live my life being considerate of others, doing the right thing and living by the golden rule. I'm no saint by any stretch of the imagination, but I do try to treat others with respect. I do believe in karma I guess you could say. That's why I find it so hard to understand what's happening in my life right now. I never expected this process to be easy, just not to go on for this long and be this messy.

The worst part is how much I miss my daughter. Sure I know as she gets older there's a chance she will come around, but it's impossible to get back all those years we've missed together.

This isn't the only place on the internet I frequent, but it was the only place I thought of sharing what I am going through. This is all good advice in one form or another whether it's new information or just reinforcing something I already knew. I thank everyone for their response. My main goal is to get on with my life and re-establish my relationship with my daughter.
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Post by Toonce(s) » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:29 am

I don't want to be Debbie Downer here but I had to eventually abandon the notion of short range karma.

As Neil Peart put it, there is no "Deal". For him "The Deal" had been "Do Good Get Good", and when he lost his daughter and wife within the scope of one year he reallised that there was no deal. Read about it in "Ghost Rider". It sucks but that's the way it is. Similarly, to answer your original post, "Why?", because this is what happened. Why did some other person contract flesh eating bacteria and have their legs amputated?
It's a stack of fuck-shit on top of itself, Ninja.

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Post by ejworthen » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:57 am

Toonce wrote:I don't want to be Debbie Downer here but I had to eventually abandon the notion of short range karma.

As Neil Peart put it, there is no "Deal". For him "The Deal" had been "Do Good Get Good", and when he lost his daughter and wife within the scope of one year he reallised that there was no deal. Read about it in "Ghost Rider". It sucks but that's the way it is. Similarly, to answer your original post, "Why?", because this is what happened. Why did some other person contract flesh eating bacteria and have their legs amputated?
I know how absurd the karma thing is. Some times you just want to believe that by doing the right thing it's gotta come around and pay you back.
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Post by erosvamp » Tue Jun 08, 2010 8:22 am

ejworthen wrote:I know how absurd the karma thing is. Some times you just want to believe that by doing the right thing it's gotta come around and pay you back.
Normally, karma is associated with your current life as well as your past/future lives. As awesome as it would be if it were true, Karma is not an instant gratification. At least, that's what I hear. :)

My mother talked shit about my father when they were going through their divorce. Mom was so angry she felt better by trying to bring dad down in our eyes. I didn't get to develop a relationship with my father until he came out for my graduation two years ago... talk about an emotional reunion.

Eventually, I saw through the bullshit.
I hope your daughter sees through the bullshit and gets to know her dad at some point.
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Post by Ames » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:27 am

"Karma is just revenge without the satisfaction."

Being a stand-up guy isn't easy. Being the better person is a bitch, but in the end it DOES pay off. Remember, your daughter loves her mother because she's the only mother she has. Don't fuck with that no matter how tempting it is. Focus on the good things you remember, there had to be some, and talk about those with your daughter. My ex slags me with my kids and I talk about the yummy bread she would bake. It's taken a while, but I can see them make the connection between the venom she spews and how I don't take the bait. There's also going to be a degree of trying to play you off of one another, don't fall into that either. Do your thing, be happy in the now and one day your daughter will say something about it. Mine has even remarked on what a positive relationship The Hot Wife of DOOM!(tm) and I have and I KNOW she's figuring things out. It's taken a couple of years, and I still get frustrated when she defends her mother's b.s., but I remind myself that she has that relationship with her and it's not my place to intervene in it.

Hang in there, be who you are and it will, eventually, come around.

I'm off the soapbox now and going to clean my garage.
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Post by Buttzilla » Tue Jun 08, 2010 6:18 pm

This is an essay my daughter wrote when she was 16. I'm posting it here because I think it reminds me of what impacts kids of divorce. As Madi explained it to me today, "It's not how much you and daddy pay or what you fought about, it's about what I lost. The things that mattered to me as a kid." Madeleine gave me her permission to share this so that it may put some things into perspective and remind us that it's the kids who lose no matter how you slice it.
Hang in there, love your daughter and fight FOR HER like a motherfucker. She'll know it in the end.
Her dad was working on marriage number 3 and had moved various times. AZ and I were also on a house a year plan for about 3 years. So that explains the 10 houses...

The Sprinkler With a Yellow Base
The shade felt nice against the hot summer breeze. So we put half of the sprinkler in the shade and the other half in the sun. Well, my dad did. He almost always sets up the sprinkler.
My pink tank top bathing suit lined with orange isn’t too wet. The only things that are really wet on the bathing suit are the three flowers; two of them yellow with an orange center and the third flower opposite. I remember being afraid of the sprinkler. I always thought it was going to hurt to run through it, the way a heavy downpour does. But, as I run through, I experience again the gentleness and excitement of this sprinkler.
This sprinkler. I will always remember what it looked like. I watch the bright yellow base twist side-to-side, spraying out water in one direction, then the other. My sister and I always try to beat the sprinkler. We wait until it almost touches us, and then dart through it before it can rain on us first.
But that sprinkler is gone now. We lost it six years and ten houses ago.
As I run through the sprinkler, I glance across the street. The neighbor’s horse, June, is eating grass while the two Dalmatians, Bentley and Ditto, stand and watch me. But those beautiful animals are not my neighbors anymore; they stopped being my neighbors six years and ten houses ago.
I always smile when I’m outside the house on Pocono Road, the house that is six years and ten houses ago. It is a subtle blue, subtle because the paint is chipped away. It is small, only five tiny rooms altogether, but it suits my family. It is broken, falling apart; it is perfect.
I always used to go outside when we lived at the Pocono house. The grass was always splendid green and the sun was always shining, even in the winter. The thing I miss the most about the Pocono house is the door; hand carved in 1932 by a Monarch family that fled during the Russian Revolution so they wouldn’t get killed. The door was smooth and a lighter brown. The carvings were of an eagle, a deer leaping through the woods, and a huge tree. There was a stain-glass window in the door. It was the most sacred part of the Pocono house.
The sprinkler comes back towards my sister and I. We prepare to beat it once more and, as always, we win. We will never get tired of this sprinkler with a yellow base. We will always want to beat it at its own sneaky game and will always have the biggest smiles on our faces when we do. I will pose for pictures, which my mom happily takes, with a silly face on; mouth open, tongue sticking out, eyes smiling, hair swirling across my face. The sprinkler in the background, the sunshine behind it.
The sprinkler with a yellow base. Gone six years and ten houses ago.
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Post by MoraleHazard » Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:23 pm

I'm a bit belated here, but would like to offer my support, prayers, and good wishes for you as well. I have no divorce experience (and hope to God I never will), so I cannot offer any advice except for two things:

I don't think you are, but don't beat yourself up too hard about the choices you make. "Pick the right man/woman" advice can be somewhat unrealistic because of the way human beings are. People don't dispassionately consider their partners or spouses and there is no Consumer Reports on dating and marriage.

Secondly, I don't believe in Karma per se, but I do believe the good one does will return to them. The reward is (hopefully) your daughter's realization of all the sacrifices your are making for her and her love later on in your life.

Best of luck EJ and keep us posted.
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Post by Rabbit_Fighter » Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:28 pm

Best of luck to you in getting stuff sorted out.

We learn from our mistakes and can certainly do a lot in terms of reducing odds . . . but sometimes shit just gets on you.


Funny that this article popped up on my radar, right about the time you posted this.
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/07/ ... d-fallacy/

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Post by Toonce(s) » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:34 pm

Rabbit_Fighter wrote:Best of luck to you in getting stuff sorted out.

We learn from our mistakes and can certainly do a lot in terms of reducing odds . . . but sometimes shit just gets on you.


Funny that this article popped up on my radar, right about the time you posted this.
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/07/ ... d-fallacy/
Nice link. I wasn't going to raise the flipside but there it is; Sometimes horrible people have all the luck. In our case my wife's ex had sexually abused her daughter and got away with it completely. Fast forward, he is remarried into wealth and is living a very easy life while the girl has had serious problems with drug addiction. Such is life.

EDIT - If there is a point to this, it is that you shouldn't dwell on the unfairness of things and that you must move forward.
It's a stack of fuck-shit on top of itself, Ninja.

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