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Mexican Cartel pisses off anonymous

Post by sun rat » Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:09 pm

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... Stories%29
An international group of online hackers is warning a Mexican drug cartel to release one of its members, kidnapped from a street protest, or it will publish the identities and addresses of the syndicate's associates, from corrupt police to taxi drivers, as well as reveal the syndicates' businesses.

The vow is a bizarre cyber twist to Mexico's ongoing drug war, as a group that has no guns is squaring off against the Zetas, a cartel blamed for thousands of deaths as well as introducing beheadings and other frightening brutality.

"You made a huge mistake by taking one of us. Release him," says a masked man in a video posted online on behalf of the group, Anonymous.

"We cannot defend ourselves with a weapon … but we can do this with their cars, homes, bars, brothels and everything else in their possession," says the man, who is wearing a suit and tie.

"It won't be difficult; we all know who they are and where they are located," says the man, who underlines the group's international ties by speaking Spanish with the accent of a Spaniard while using Mexican slang.

He also implies that the group will expose mainstream journalists who are somehow in cahoots with the Zetas by writing negative articles about the military, the country's biggest fist in the drug war.

"We demand his release," says the Anonymous spokesman, who is wearing a mask like the one worn by the shadowy revolutionary character in the movie V for Vendetta, which came out in 2006. "If anything happens to him, you sons of (expletive) will always remember this upcoming November 5."

The person reportedly kidnapped is not named, and the video does not share information about the kidnapping other than that it occurred in the Mexican state of Veracruz during a street protest.

Anonymous draws its roots from an online forum dedicated to bringing sensitive government documents and other material to light.

If Anonymous can make good on its threats to publish names, it will "most certainly" lead to more deaths and could leave bloggers and others open to reprisal attacks by the cartel, contends Stratfor, an Austin-based global intelligence company.

"In this viral world on the Internet, it shows how much damage could be done with just one statement on the Web," said Fred Burton of Stratfor, which published a report Friday that probes the implications of the cartel drawing the activists' ire.

Mike Vigil, the retired head of international operations for the Drug Enforcement Administration, said the Zetas must take Anonymous seriously.

"It is a gutsy move," Vigil said. "By publishing the names, they identify them to rivals, and trust me, they will go after them."
i have been watching the occupy protest feeds on twitter, of which anonymous is a significant part. this was posted as news earlier today. then later this evening i watched as one pissed off hacktivist "doxed" a cop who had maced a girl in denver. it took less than 60 minutes from the time the girl was back online and communicating the name of said cop till links to the info was being propagated...

as if things weren't intriguing enough...
will a cartel bloodbath ensue when anonymous outs everyone associated with them and their rival cartels take advantage of the info?
will the cartels figure out how to attack the hacktivists?
who will cave in first?


fuck it all.

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Post by guitargeek » Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:17 pm

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Post by Sisyphus » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:08 am

I'm confused. So Anonymous goes online and does this, but the person they want released isn't named. That assumes that the cartel knows who they have. Okay, perhaps they do.
Then there's a deadline, Nov 5th.
And then the amount of information they allegedly have.

I think they're bluffing.

Anon can't possibly think that a drug cartel is going to release one person in the face of threats like having information released. They certainly aren't going to do it on Anon's terms, if at all.
I think they're making threats they aren't prepared to carry out.

This will be interesting, but I bet someone ends up with their head lopped off.
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Post by sun rat » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:23 am

i wonder if a subset of anonymous has already been information gathering in preparation for this. i don't think it's a bluff, merely because nothing else they've done that i've seen has been a bluff.

and as to the person taken, it's possible that anon could be trying to force the cartel into releasing everyone they might have taken.
fuck it all.

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Post by Pintgudge » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:14 am

Oh, Man do we live in the proverbial "Interesting Times"

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Post by thack » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:15 am

Anonymous does not generally bluff.

if you have ever been online, or have any association with anything that has electronic records (like your bank for instance) they can find it. They've repeatedly proven this. It would appear that they have inside sources in very sensitive places. It certainly would be hard for such a huge operation as an international drug cartel to hide all its records - and I suspect that much of their operations are essentially public, but ignored by the local enforcement, in the name of local peace. When you've got eyes everywhere (some of whom don't know they're acting as your eyes) it's a lot easier to see things - and they're willing to say things it doesn't really seem anyone else is.

This should be interesting.

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Post by roadmissile » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:23 am

There's something lovely and William Gibsonesque about hackers at war with a drug cartel. I'm on board with the popcorn.

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Post by Jaeger » Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:42 pm

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Post by sun rat » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:47 pm

maybe it has something to do with this as well:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2 ... too/42488/
Sep 14, 2011
Perhaps taking a page from Middle Eastern despots clinging to power, Mexican drug cartels are cracking down on their critics on social networks. The bodies of a man and a woman were found hanging from a pedestrian bridge in Nuevo Laredo, a border town, and nearby signs indicated the pair had been killed for denouncing the cartels on social networks, Mariano Castillo reports for CNN. "This is going to happen to all of those posting funny things on the internet... You better (expletive) pay attention. I'm about to get you," one sign said. The victims had been tortured, Castillo writes:

A man and a woman, both in their early 20s, were left hanging like cuts of meat. The woman was hogtied and disemboweled, her intestines protruding from three deep cuts on her abdomen. She was then hung from the bridge by her feet and hands, topless. The bloodied man was suspended next to her by his hands, his right shoulder severed so deeply you can see the bone.

Last week, "Twitter terrorists" in Mexico faced 30 years in prison for falsely reporting attacks on a school. But this incident marks a different kind of Twitter terrorism. CNN reports Ricardo Mancillas Castillo, a local investigator, said he'd never seen threats against Internet users from the cartels before.
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Post by Rabbit_Fighter » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:22 pm

Fucking bold.

How well did they're attack on Scientology go? If I'm not mistaken, people from anonymous got exposed and had lawyers sicked on them.

These guys don't send lawyers.
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Post by Caliann » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:56 pm

No, these guys don't send lawyers....however, if Anonymous is smart, the info will be leaked by hackers that reside in, say, Saudi Arabia, or the Ukraine, or some place like far away. So that, even if they get outed for leaking Mexican Cartel stuff, the bully boys will have to go through foreign governments, and deal with the LOCAL criminal cartels, to get after them.
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Post by sun rat » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:47 am

possibly because quite a number of script kiddies would end up dead over it. the old school members could pull it off, but the newbs, not so much.
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Post by Jaeger » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:54 am

Rev wrote:This thing seems to be falling apart, with some anons saying it was a hoax, others that it was just a bad idea.
That's kind've sad, really -- and it's funny that Anon. seems willing to go toe-to-toe with the U.S. Gubmint (e.g., Wikileaks) but doesn't want to piss off the cartels.

Maybe they're just afraid their sources of weed will get pissed off. :mrgreen:

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Post by Rabbit_Fighter » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:34 am

Jaeger wrote:
Rev wrote:This thing seems to be falling apart, with some anons saying it was a hoax, others that it was just a bad idea.
That's kind've sad, really -- and it's funny that Anon. seems willing to go toe-to-toe with the U.S. Gubmint (e.g., Wikileaks) but doesn't want to piss off the cartels.

Maybe they're just afraid their sources of weed will get pissed off. :mrgreen:

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Post by Caliann » Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:41 pm

Or it is simply possible that they do not wish to endanger such members who might be within the geographical power (close enough to easily exact revenge upon, whether that member had anything to do with it or not) of the Cartel.

Would you or I reconsider an action on our parts that may not represent much, if any danger for US, as an individual, if we knew another Ootmic living in another country might have to pay a pretty dear price for it?

If we choose not to pursue that action due to that consequence, would it make us cowardly or lazy?
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Post by Zer0 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:34 pm

Or lets get back to basics: my very first thought when I heard it on NPR this morning:

Like there's one huge and comprehensive database that Zeta keeps, listing all of their lackeys--from taxi drivers to government employees.

Really?

But now a serious, non-rhetorical question:
Jaeger wrote: and it's funny that Anon. seems willing to go toe-to-toe with the U.S. Gubmint (e.g., Wikileaks)
Anonymous is Wikileaks, or vice versa?
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Post by Jaeger » Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:17 pm

Zer0 wrote: But now a serious, non-rhetorical question:
Jaeger wrote: and it's funny that Anon. seems willing to go toe-to-toe with the U.S. Gubmint (e.g., Wikileaks)
Anonymous is Wikileaks, or vice versa?
No. However, Anonymous was supporting Wikileaks through that whole debacle, IIRC.

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Re: Mexican Cartel pisses off anonymous

Post by Vitiare » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:08 pm

Anonymous draws its roots from an online forum dedicated to bringing sensitive government documents and other material to light.
...And a way for 13 year old kids to call eachother "fag" at every opportunity.
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Re: Mexican Cartel pisses off anonymous

Post by Sisyphus » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:43 pm

Vitiare wrote:
Anonymous draws its roots from an online forum dedicated to bringing sensitive government documents and other material to light.
...And a way for 13 year old kids to call eachother "fag" at every opportunity.
I never got the impression that Anon "draws its roots from an online forum dedicated to bringing sensitive government documents and other material to light." I always got the impression they were into nudies, wierd stuff, UFO's, and the occasional conspiracy.
Rev is the house expert on Anon, I believe, I defer to his take on the authenticity of the statement.
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Post by Vitiare » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:55 pm

I've been a lurker on /b for a few years. The board is the internet equivalent of Mos Eisley Cantina.
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Post by sun rat » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:08 pm

i think that some of these people that make up part of anonymous have been around longer than 4chan. but i say that only judging from their mo, which i recognize as being the same as a group i knew of back in the late 90s whose hobby was exposing kiddie porn sites and IDing the users of same...
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Post by Vitiare » Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:24 pm

Oh there is no doubt that there are individuals or even a group of individuals who are conspiring to do the majority of the notable things that "anonymous" is claiming responsibility for, but they are operating on their own and hiding behind the internet site.

The site itself is shit.
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Post by sun rat » Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:41 am

rev, did you see their latest pedo unmasking?
i hope the fbi is able to follow up though i doubt they will due to the manner in which the static IPs were gotten...
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Post by Rabbit_Fighter » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:40 pm

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Post by rolly » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:07 pm

I don't imagine we'll ever know if that's truth or face-saving propaganda. I don't see why the Zetas would keep prisoners alive though, The Disappeared are almost always just bodies that haven't been found.

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Post by 12ci » Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:35 pm

Rev wrote:What little I know about the history is that /b/ was always sort of cannon fodder for invasions. They usually got planned somewhere else, like an /i/nvasion board on another chan, or an irc channel, then somebody would go to /b/ with the idea to get enough bodies for a dos attack or swastiget or whatever. Then chanology happened, and things got more organized. The iconography of anonymous comes from /b/, but the people could be from anywhere. It split off from 4chan back then, and there's probably not much relation between the two now. There was some pushback then from the /i/nvasion folks against the moralfags. I'm not sure how that all shook out.
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Post by Vitiare » Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:54 am

I call bullshit. This isnt a news story, its a press release. They still dont mention who it was that was kidnapped in the first place and there arent too many credible news services out there that are carrying the story.

Pure PR spin. Nothing more.
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Post by Vitiare » Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:48 am

What with the "you dun goofed" incident from last year and their DOS attacks, this looks like someone is trying to put some positive spin on the trollfags.
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Post by goose » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:12 am

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/11 ... dangerroom

I guess the Cartels in Mexico called "bullshit" too. Except, they're killing people. Sad but interesting turn of events.

I wonder if Anonymous is going to pursue this act of impeding internet freedom or if the clear dangers of disclosing "trade secrets" of the cartels will have it's intended effect.
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Post by sun rat » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:55 am

actually the cartels had been targeting specific bloggers prior to the anonymous debacle. they tortured at least three people and hung up their remains with warnings against writing on the internet about them.
the cartels apparently have their own hackers.

it's not just dangerous to live in mexico, it's apparently dangerous to even blog about it. :(
fuck it all.

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