The difference between Men and Women...

Shhted · Post by **Shhted** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:53 am

I think we're all entitled to laugh about the human condition. Who's to say the original joke wasn't penned by a woman, in disgust with men's shallowness?

Impossible. Women don't write jokes.

Smell that? That's sarcasm.

Caliann · Post by **Caliann** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:59 am

BackdoorBarbie wrote:

What is SO BAD about thinking like a woman?

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with being a woman. While I support transgendered folks, I have never *understood* them, because I don't know what it is like to feel like I am the wrong sex in the wrong body.

BackdoorBarbie wrote again:

This joke is not being mean to either sex, its just discussing the same thing that DOES SEPARATE woman from man. Neither is bad but what is so horrible about embracing the fact that you are a woman?

This joke does not discuss the differences between men and women. It stereotypes in a negative fashion beliefs about both men and women. I find both parts of this joke to be spreading sexism. Also, if it was a joke that ONLY spread the negative stereotype about men, I would still think it was sickening.

And while I mentioned my own experiences, due to the fact that I am *not* a male....sexism affects men as WELL as women. My friend Joseph, who is one HELL of a good nurse, ends up being stuck on orderly duty instead of in post-op where he belongs because he is a man. My friend Tim, who is quite happy and productive being a stay-at-home Dad, and is doing a fine job of it, but gets shit for that every damn day.

Then she wrote:

. So why are you so irritated by the girls who do try to look more feminine than you? You are pissed off that you aren’t accepted as a guy, and clearly pride yourself on not being feminine....

BDB, didn't you see me at the tinker party a couple of years back? How can I NOT look and be feminine? I could be wearing ripped jeans, boots and an oversized flannel shirt and NO-ONE would mistake me for being male. No, not even if I shaved off this mane of mine.

BDB eloquently stated again:

By automatically taking pride in the fact that you CAN do well in the "man's world" is what just propitiates this idea that you ARE different.

Ms. Generation Y, please meet Ms. Late Boomer and Ms. Generation X. We're the ones who fought for the rights you now enjoy. We're the ones who "busted into" the men's professions. Yes, I am damn proud to have made it in a man's world. When I was a firefighter, I had to kick, scratch, beg and complain to be allowed to go to fire academy. Even then, my department tried everything it could to get out of sponsoring me and did their best to make me fail.

When I was an exercise rider, I was the only woman doing it at Manor Downs and Delta Downs.

I've done the marches, I've participated in the protests, and I had to prove myself worthy and able at a time and place where the only jobs deemed "appropriate" for women was being chased around someone's desk or at home with the children.

Merlyn has even had to deal with it. With the snide comments of "Why does your wife work? Aren't you man enough to support your family?"

Good. I am glad you were able to work construction. It is a fulfilling experience to be able to work with your hands.

Next item:

All that means is that you don’t prioritize looking like a woman.

I recently attended my daughter's wedding. She is about your age. I wore a pretty pastel dress and a white, floppy hat...as was appropriate for a Southern wedding held outdoors. When I go to an opera or a play, I wear an evening gown. I certainly do not get down on *people* for looking nice....but I do get down on ANYONE who prioritizes their own vanity to the near exclusion of all else.

Also, that doesn't mean I have a closet full of shoes. I have one pair of black pumps, one pair of white pumps and one pair of off-white pumps. These fill any accessorizing need I might have.

And on and on....

Second of all, I don’t think any of the men on here are "trying to invalidate you"... I am, but then again, I'm not a man so why does it always have to be about the men against the women here? Why do you hate them so badly? What is so bad about men?

I don't believe I EVER said that any man here is trying to invalidate me. I believe you are making the mistake of believing that I need to get my validation from outside myself. I also do not believe that I ever ONCE bashed a man for being a man on this board in all of my time here. In fact, I am equally offended by how this joke stereotypes MEN as well as women. I am equal-opportunity when it comes to bashing *sexism and racism* of any kind. I will defend men just as quickly as I will defend women.

So, please tell me where I said or wrote anything that could possibly lead someone to believe that I have something against men?

And on and on....

Ever stopped to think that it’s not the joke that is sexist, it’s the person who is choosing to take it personally?

Nope. I took all those psychology classes and read all those studies for a reason. Nor do I go looking for "sexist assholes" to be sexist at me. However, if I see sexism, I am not going to stand by without saying anything. The same holds true of racism or prejudice of any kind. I am not the type to stand by and watch wrongs being done just because they aren't being done *to me*.

Prejudice and bigotry are still a problem in this country. You have mentioned that you have not led a charmed life and have been subjected to it before. Therefore, why are you so willing to defend it? If you will go back and re-read my posts, I never once flamed or bitched at ANYONE. Nor did I accuse ANYONE of being sexist or prejudice. I did say the JOKE was sexist, and I cited studies that have shown that such things promote sexism, racism and prejudice.

I also noted that people reacted the way MOST folks react when called out and told, "That was bigoted". People tend to hear that as "I am bigoted" and get all defensive...instead of just taking the lesson and thinking, "Well, I don't want to spread bigotry, so I won't tell that one again".

EVERYONE has prejudice of some kinds...we absorb it with our mother's milk and our kindergarten schoolmates. However, we don't have to STAY that way. We can help ourselves RECOGNIZE our areas of prejudice and actively work on, if not eradicating them, then at least not spreading them.

And finally:

Sure, by making jokes about our differences we are continuing to point out the differences, but those differences are never going to go away.

Nope. PEOPLE are different. Equality DOES NOT mean "the same". It means getting to start at the same point. Think of it as the starting gate for a horse race....all of the horses are on the same line in equal gates. Who wins the race is based solely upon the abilities of the rider and the horse...but they all get to start at the same point.

(Take the analogy for what it is and don't give me guff about handicaps and stakes races. I know what they are.)

Then...ninemileskid started in with:

First you need to grow up and see the world for what it really is, not the way you'd like it to be. You need to know there are assholes out there that f with women and men.

Do what? Oh, you SO don't know me. Babydoll, talk to me when you have had to deal with a few decades of PTSD. I KNOW the evil and violence that humans are capable of, because I have survived it. (Please note that I did not single out men or women in that....women are less likely to engage in violence, but when they do they make up for it in the severity and sheer maliciousness of the event.)

Maybe one of these days we'll swap stories over a bottle of rum...until then, do not make assumptions where you have no knowledge. I have been traumatized multiple times....and I have reacted by volunteering my time trying to help children who have been traumatized. Come chat with me when you have tried to calm a 5 year old boy who has been beaten and raped multiple times and is terrified of a Q-tip.

Maybe then you can tell me to grow up.

Double R spoke up:

There are crane companies all over that PREFER women! hell the largest ship builder in Germany has women operating some of the largest cranes in the world.

Yeah, and if you are a woman, you can't be sent to Russia....as the workers barracks tend to be all male. However, you'll do fine in France. But stay the heck out of Africa....any of it. I know the differences country to country.

But, some more:

Try communicating with the bartender, tell them "I want a 4 second pour of rum no ice" and don't be a bitch that has to waste time brining drinks back to be fixed, this pisses good bartenders off, they cant read your mind, they are there for a job. Cocktails differ greatly from place to place, tender to tender.
You have to work with people to let them know what you want, why haven't you figured this out yet??

Back in the day [insert little hand sign here] I worked as a bartender in a little dive called Cheers2U in Houston. I don't bitch. I ask, specifically, "Give me a triple shot of Captain Morgan's Private Stock, straight up, no ice. Take the bottle, take a glass, pour booze into the glass until you think it is three shots and hand it to me, please. Thank you." Then I smile.

When it comes to me on the rocks, I smile and say, "I'm sorry, I didn't want ice or water. Could you please give me a triple shot of Captain Morgan's Private Stock, no ice...in a glass...that has nothing but the booze in it? I'd be grateful."

When it comes back to me as booze mixed with water, I repeat myself again. And again, I smile.

This has happened to me enough that I have a stock system for getting through it until I have a triple shot of rum in front of me. It happens far too often to get bitchy or frustrated about it.

I always order my coke back for it AFTER the booze is delivered. because I have learned, through experience, that if I order it WITH the booze, I'll have to go through several incarnations of getting a rum and coke along with the watered down or on the rocks.

Having been a bartender, I am NOT being vague about what I want. Nor am I a jerk about it when it comes to me wrong.

*************************

Now, the final note. I feel I have been very patient and understanding. I do not believe I have trashed anyone in this thread. I have not called names, nor have I made assumptions of anyone except that they MIGHT be ignorant of the studies done on prejudice. (Which is why i posted some of the findings of said studies.) Goodness knows *I* haven't read every study on every topic out there, so i don't expect anyone else has either.

So I am wondering: Why are so many willing to get up in arms and trash me for voicing my belief that a joke is sexist?

guitargeek · Post by **guitargeek** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 11:50 am

Shhted wrote:
I think we're all entitled to laugh about the human condition. Who's to say the original joke wasn't penned by a woman, in disgust with men's shallowness?
Impossible. Women don't write jokes.

Smell that? That's sarcasm.

http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episode ... 6b59290022

Sisyphus · Post by **Sisyphus** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:11 pm

BackDoorBarbie wrote:Ever stopped to think that it’s not the joke that is sexist, it’s the person who is choosing to take it personally?

What the fuck does that mean? Seriously, how can you say that? You care to come down off your horse and explain this statement?

ninemileskid · Post by **ninemileskid** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:32 pm

Maybe its not that they don't like women, maybe they just don't like you.

sun rat · Post by **sun rat** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:51 pm

Gauss wrote:
Guder wrote:
sun rat wrote:to guder and gauss:

why don't you address the real question in what i wrote instead of picking one tiny sentence out?

why should ANY woman anywhere have to put up with the type of degrading, demeaning "humor" you would NOT expect a person of color to put up with?
They shouldn't, and none has been presented here.
Why bother? She is so dead set on having a chance to rant, she's creating the conversation that she wants to have, not the one that is there.

Show me where I said that women need to put up with degrading humor...What I said was

1) The original joke was about a woman over thinking something, misreading the situation/intent
2) Some got offended...but then some read into the joke some nefarious sexist agenda...in my opinion, misreading the situation or at least the intent of the OP
3) I thought it was ironic that in their haste to condemn a joke about a stereotype they actually fulfilled that stereotype...
4) I suggested it was counterproductive to do so if what you want to do is battle against a stereotype

Then sun rat kind of implied that I was sexist, wanting the women folk to shut up

Then I replied that was not my intent and that she was interpretting my comments incorrectly....and offered my opinion that she was seeing what she wanted to see

Then she claimed that we men were somehow trying to "invalidate" female opinions on the board

I argued that simply stating a contrary opinion was not attempt at invalidation...nd she was letting her personal prejudices color people as something they were not...mainly sexist

I don't know after that...But apparently I am sexist, maybe racist...by all accounts probably homophobic and kick puppies too....I think in her mind, I impose a double standard when it comes to hate speach as long as it is directed at a female?? I don't know...it gets hard to follow after that

Maybe it was this?

"What I object to is the attempt to sanitize everything to the point where no one runs the risk of being offended...especially when the bar is set to the point of satisfying your hair trigger."

But I don't see how I am implying that this should only apply to women

Sun Rat, I wish I could give you one of these of your very own, but this will have to do (although you can make one of your very own with minor carpentry skills)

Hang yourself up on it whenever the mood strikes you...But I warn you, no matter how you go about it, it is impossible to put the last nail in

that is very eloquent gauss. but i see something incredibly ironic here.

i thought the point the joke was making was that men are insensitive and self-centered and only concerned about getting sex from the SO. and the button graphic portrays men as being really nothing but two states, on or off, which is to say, simple, stupid, incapable of complexity. but for some strange reason the only people who complained about it were women, so men and bdb automatically assumed that all of our ire was because the traits of the woman in the joke were seen as being derogatory by those who liked the joke.

personally i think the traits of the woman in the joke are natural for people who care about their SOs. and i think men are every bit as complex creatures as women are...

but then there was a lot of derogatory stuff aimed at the complainers, due to their being women, and the people who thought the joke was a jab at women naturally assumed it was the woman's portrayal that was at issue.

since the joke portrays men in a much more derogatory light than it does women, i really don't know what to make of all the subsequent blaming of women for not liking the joke...

SSCAM · Post by **SSCAM** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:02 pm

I am ok with what that joke said about men.

sun rat · Post by **sun rat** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:07 pm

supersweetcoolawesomeMatt wrote:I am ok with what that joke said about men.

but i am not. why? because i do not want my daughters getting the idea that men really are like that.

and i do not want my son to be treated like he is like that, because he isn't at all.

SSCAM · Post by **SSCAM** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:09 pm

I am ok with you not being ok about what that joke said about men.

Priest · Post by **Priest** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:14 pm

supersweetcoolawesomeMatt wrote:I am ok with you not being ok about what that joke said about men.

And I found my signature quote for the week.

Gauss · Post by **Gauss** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:25 pm

Dear Sun Rat,

Speaking on the behalf of men everywhere , I would like to thank you, and proclaim our undying gratitude that we have you defending our nature and character from besmirchment by any and all manner of jokes, anecdotes, puns, and the occasional limerick made by some sexist member of our sometimes thoughtless and wretched sex.

Re-reading the contents of the thread I now understand that you were in fact implying that the men that disagreed with you were being sexist and attempting to invalidate women only in order to save us from being discriminatory to ourselves. (Oh would we, could we, not be so blind! ) I also now see that your insistence on the importance of the number of women being offended has absolutely no bearing as to whom you believe to be the injured party, since I now see from your post that you were in fact defending men from the heinous insult that Dobbs posted. I don't know how I could ever have made that mistake

Thank you for your continued vigilance citizen!

sun rat · Post by **sun rat** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:29 pm

Guder wrote:
And we've seen the prime offendees directly trash the feminine nature of another regular, who of course is perfectly strong and capable enough to stand up for herself (as she did). Where's the outrage for that?

As was so well pointed out, who exactly is trashing a class of behavior here?

I think we're all entitled to laugh about the human condition. Who's to say the original joke wasn't penned by a woman, in disgust with men's shallowness?

i haven't been paying very much attention, due to finals next week, but guder i really appreciate you stepping up in defense of caliann after other people trashed her personally.

thank you very much!

back to the books for me now...

Groove · Post by **Groove** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:51 pm

Rabbit_Fighter · Post by **Rabbit_Fighter** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:18 pm

Totally a cafe racer.

dozer · Post by **dozer** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:58 pm

piccini9 · Post by **piccini9** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:40 pm

Can we make this 5 pages? Please?

Rench · Post by **Rench** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:43 pm

ok, ok, ok, I get, some of it, and I'm learning a lot...

BUT WHO THE FUCK IS OP?!?!?!?!?!?!

-Rench

thrasherbill · Post by **thrasherbill** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:56 pm

I want to have BDB's babies.

Oh wait. I have no ovaries.

12ci · Post by **12ci** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:09 pm

Rench wrote:BUT WHO THE FUCK IS OP?!?!?!?!?!?!

-Rench

OP? isn't that spelled "opie" ?

Gauss · Post by **Gauss** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:09 pm

Rench wrote:ok, ok, ok, I get, some of it, and I'm learning a lot...

BUT WHO THE FUCK IS OP?!?!?!?!?!?!

-Rench

Original Post or Original Poster

ninemileskid · Post by **ninemileskid** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:11 pm

sun rat wrote: i thought the point the joke was making was that men are insensitive and self-centered and only concerned about getting sex from the SO. and the button graphic portrays men as being really nothing but two states, on or off, which is to say, simple, stupid, incapable of complexity.

personally i think the traits of the woman in the joke are natural for people who care about their SOs.

Did you and I read the same joke or did we just interpret it differently?
The man was not at all concerned with sex, he was just concerned with his bike. You couldn't see that? It was what he was thinking about throughout the whole joke. Jeez, I thought that was made pretty clear, I thought that was the main thrust of the joke. The sex was just a little bonus. he wasn't even looking for sex, the woman initiated it, he just responded. You didn't get that? Go back and read it again.

As far as the traits of the woman being natural, not so sure. She has no idea what's on her guys mind but in the end her life is a disaster. She makes assumption after assumption, based on nothing but her husband's silence. He's guilty of something she dreamed up. If she thought it, it must be real. You didn't see that either?
Are we reading the same joke?

Miss Anthropik · Post by **Miss Anthropik** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:50 pm

Holy crap! I don't even know where to begin.
I'll start off by saying i'm LLG's wife. I have not posted before but he often shares the funny, interesting odd whathave you from this board. The other day he read me the joke that started this whole shitstorm and I thought it was funny. Am I exactly like the woman in the joke...no, is he exactly like the man, again..no but I have known enough men and women in life to realize that could happen an it was damn funny.
I am amazed at the way this was taken and really can't see how anyone could be offended. There are stereotypes everywhere, every commercial, every tv show, every ad. I can't even single one out, the man is generally a dufus, the woman only concerned about a germ killing cleaning product or self absorbed in an arousing shower experience with help of some herbal essence. I read far too many things i'd like to respond to so i'm just gonna put it out in a jumble and if it answers something you wrote, there you go.

"I don't tell jokes because studies show it leads to humor"

I don't live in a "mans" world or want to do "mens" work. I live in THE world and I do work. It's an individuals point of view, how they CHOOSE to look at things that greatly dictates how they will be treated and they you experience the world around them. If you go into a bar looking to pick a fight, chances are you'll find one. If you go in to have a drink and relax chances are you'll find that as well. If someone tells me a joke and I am offended it is because on some level that joke was about me. I have nothing to prove to anyone, I do not feel like I need to show people I can do "mens work". I personally am glad there is "mens work". I personally don't enjoy taking out the trash, washing the dog after the skunk sprayed her or screwing with the car for a whole day to figure out why it's running poorly. Neither do I spend all my time painting my nails, shopping for shoes or watching sex in the city (which I do have to say is a huge piece of steaming crap). I, as everyone is, am a combination of things. I have my tactical boots which I love but also have a pair knee high black vinyl "stripper" boots. I like to have basic everyday clothes but also like to have special, nice and even unusual things for when I want them. I dunno, I think the bottom line is I do not consider myself any less of a woman for not trying to prove I am as good as a man. I KNOW I am as good as anyone else, man or woman and I have enough self value and confidence to be able to see the humor in a joke. I also want to tell BDB I applaude your posts in regard to this thread and agree with you.
If you are happy with yourself and confident, the only person you have anything to prove to.....is yourself. I am sure I could use the internet to find some scientific studies to promote my point of view but as we all know those statistics are worthless. Life is far too short to see everthing as a source for conflict and strife. Believe it or not, there is a lot of beauty and happiness to be found in the world, you just have to open yourself to it. Every joke about a woman is not about me. If I find some aspect of one that is and is offensive then I need to stop and think why? did the fat joke make me angry, maybe I actually am a bit chunky and not comfortable with it. If that is the case then I should either go to the gym, do something about it or learn to be happy as I am. not tell the worldas a whole what they can and can not say or find amusing. I dunno, just my 2 cents. It took a whole lot of energy for people to be offended and rant, I would personally take that energy and use it in a more productive way. Maybe go work on one of those crab boats (or paint my nails, lol).

Lizzie

Caliann · Post by **Caliann** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:28 pm

Miss Anthropik wrote: Life is far too short to see everthing as a source for conflict and strife. Believe it or not, there is a lot of beauty and happiness to be found in the world, you just have to open yourself to it.

Lizzie

This is something I find amusing..... how everyone has made assumptions.

BDB makes assumptions that I am angry when women are more feminine than I am (good luck with finding a woman more feminine than I am....it kinda comes with the genetics that I look like a waifish elf.) and that I have female sexual issues.

I am going to have to explain to Merlyn that I am so very sorry, but I must become a lesbian now that BDB has done everything but come out and name me a bull dyke....and that our 15 year marriage has to come to an end. *shakes her head and rolls her eyes*

And now you, Lizzie, in your very first post on such a volatile thread, make the assumption that those of us who are against sexism MUST...really MUST...see everything in life as something to fight over.

I'll have to remember that as I tend my garden and play with my new dog....who is 10 years old and we just brought her home from the shelter. (Older dogs have a difficult time getting adopted.)

Oh, BTW, my tomatoes are FINALLY ripening. I have been ogling them for weeks now with tomatoe brutality on my mind.

In the time since my last post, I have been teaching my son about how a spice cabinet is used. I rearranged the bedroom and was very satisfied with it. I hugged and kissed my husband when he came home from work because I was happy to see him.

And once I get done with this post, I'm probably going to curl up with my hubby and see about practicing some yoga....the tantric kind.

This entire thread has seemed to be about making assumptions about the PERSONAL aspects of the people involved....and nothing at all about facts.

I've checked my posts. As per how things generally work here, I have been completely keeping my writing to the issue at hand, and backing up my opinions with citations. Having been here a while, I know I had better back up what I say with citations because SOMEONE will ask, "Source?"

So is there something wrong with attacking a *subject* rather than a person?

So, by the way, would you so kindly cite your source on your statement that the people posting in this thread do not open themselves to beauty and happiness?

Thanks!

Peace,
Caliann

xtian · Post by **xtian** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:42 pm

guitargeek wrote:
Shhted wrote:
I think we're all entitled to laugh about the human condition. Who's to say the original joke wasn't penned by a woman, in disgust with men's shallowness?
Impossible. Women don't write jokes.

Smell that? That's sarcasm.
http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episode ... 6b59290022

fack it I'm really sick of having the "canno't see this video outside of the USA" message, you're just a bunch of fascits and this is offending me as a non american white atheist male.

Caliann · Post by **Caliann** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:48 pm

xtian wrote:..... you're just a bunch of fascits and this is offending me as a non american white atheist male.

You're an atheist? We DREAMED of being able to be an atheist! Why back in my day, if you didn't chant to the spirit of every rock and weed you came across, you became dinner to appease those spirits!

*wanders off with her walker...next to her elderly brontosaurus*

Miss Anthropik · Post by **Miss Anthropik** » Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:40 pm

I judge peope in life by their actions so, yes, if someone goes around picking fights and trying to shove their confused understanding of a simple joke down peoples throats then, yes I think that you are looking for something to fight over. The whole point of it was that it was a joke. Laugh or don't, but it really wasn't anything to get your panties/boxers in a wad over. The whole fact that you are making such a big deal over it and making it a lifes issue, just another point you have had to overcome in this harsh "mans" world which is oh so against an overtly feminine and elflike female who couldn't be mistaken for a man while driving her crane or putting out a fire. I do think some people in this world have a hard time seeing the beauty and joy in it. Maybe you don't, maybe you do, maybe if you spent more time with you newly adopted dog, tending your garden or teaching the joy of spices you wouldn't feel the need to be so angry at others and so full of venom. Maybe you'd laugh at a joke for the parts of yourself and others you see in and for the parts that are nothing recognizable. Maybe you'd just laugh, and smile and be happy. Then again, some people are never happy. No matter what you do or what you say, they will always have something they wanna fight over, some person or thing or idea that is their misconceived source for all their woes and struggles in life. Men aren't the problem with the world, neither are women or blacks or jews or any other group/type of people. It's peoples inability to simply get along with one another, to let the little things go and see the big picture. Any further posting on my part is the equivalent of beating a dead horse so I wish everyone the best (men and women alike) and look forward to some more jokes. I would ask...why did the chicken cross the road (but I would hate to stereotype a chicken and cause it any emotional grief).

Double R · Post by **Double R** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:25 am

Wow It keeps going, this is turning out to be one hell of a thread, I should post some jokes, see what happens, keep stirring the shit. We spend time in different bars for sure, Johny and priest don't visit much in the types of bars where I dwell, one would get shit service, the other would wake up in a hospital when the dipshit fucked up his drink. laughable, Ah the internet.
And what about russia and africa and missing the point again? And fuck it just drink beer.

Sisyphus · Post by **Sisyphus** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 4:05 am

Alright. I'm tired of people saying that the world is defined by thier own perceptions of reality. That's bullshit. The whole, "if you go looking for a fight in a bar you'll find one," and if you view a joke as offensive maybe it's your fault you're offended.
Obviously the people who've made these statements have never been the victim of random violence, or somehow are so blissfully ignorant about stereotypes and how they can be used to offend that they consider themselves above reproach based only on their narrow perspective and attitudes developed over time and personal experiences that don't apply to anyone other than themselves.

BDB's approach to this whole "argument" is that if someone thinks the OP was offensive, its their own fault they're offended. I'm calling bullshit on that. One woulnd't dare to tell a black man the same thing in the wake of a joke about black people. Or would she? Maybe, I don't know. I should hope not.

There. I said it. I don't think I need to explain my point any further.

MoraleHazard · Post by **MoraleHazard** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:13 am

ROCK FOR GRAND CHANCELLOR!!!!

He promises snappy uniforms!!

Guder · Post by **Guder** » Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:19 am

Sisyphus wrote:
BDB's approach to this whole "argument" is that if someone thinks the OP was offensive, its their own fault they're offended. I'm calling bullshit on that. One woulnd't dare to tell a black man the same thing in the wake of a joke about black people. Or would she? Maybe, I don't know. I should hope not.

There. I said it. I don't think I need to explain my point any further.

The first point is establishing that THE FUCKING JOKE WAS SEXIST.

Which it wasn't.

How, exactly, do you defend against what isn't there? Like the racism which keeps, bewilderingly, being brought into this.

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