Sexism.....and curiousity.

[Moto_Myotis]

I agree wholeheartedly. My critique was of the test, not of feminism. The test is written such that ANY disagreement with ANY "branch" of feminism could be deemed as "hostile." I would dearly love to see the algorithm with which that "test" calculates one's "score."

Oh, I was commenting on the text that Miss Anthropik quoted, not on your comments, or even her other comments. I just took issue with that text. Oh, and the test, too. The test was pretty much a big, stinky turd of a test.

But I do want to hear more about the jackalope-worshiping transgender hookers. And pro-porn. Yay pro porn!!

The book is Sarah by J.T. LeRoy. Le Roy is a pretty controversial author on many levels.

[leftlaneguy]

Don't get me wrong by my earlier statements... I by no means, mean the feminist movement as a whole.

What I am reffering to, is the jack-booted 'butch' types that think that thiers is the only opinion that matters, and is the only 'right' way of thinking... These are the types that actually get offended by common courtesy that our parents instilled in us.

Those are the bitches I despise... And yes, I think they're bitches...

There was a lot of past ills concerning women, no doubt. But that's pretty-much history. (except in Southen Baptist society, amongst other 'extreme' groups)

Get over it, and accept that Society, as a whole, doesn't care much for that way of thinking any longer... Most are more 'enlightened' than are given credit for...

[MoraleHazard]

Okay, I have to ask, what is a pro-porn feminist?

I've seen my fair share and it almost always seemed to objectify the woman (facial shots, etc.). Why would a feminist be for porn?

[DerGolgo]

Okay, I have to ask, what is a pro-porn feminist?

I've seen my fair share and it almost always seemed to objectify the woman (facial shots, etc.). Why would a feminist be for porn?

Because they have the well-formed opinion that a film can be obscene and purely appealing to the prurient interest without portraying women as cock-hungry semen-catchers.
Watching porn often feels like watching athletes having a strenuous workout or junkies desperately tying the rubber-hose around their arm to get that fix in asap. Not much like, you know, kinky fun.

[Caliann]

Okay, I have to ask, what is a pro-porn feminist?

I've seen my fair share and it almost always seemed to objectify the woman (facial shots, etc.). Why would a feminist be for porn?

Because some feminists do not see porn as much as a societal ill as it is pandering to a natural, biological instinct within ourselves.

Lots of our drives, both male and female, are geared towards passing on our genetics. Porn is part of catering to those drives.

And some do not feel that porn is derogatory towards women nearly as much as it is derogatory towards men.

*********************************

Oh, on the sexist test....the numbers start at zero meaning NO KIND OF SEXISM WHATSOEVER....which also includes no influence to prefer traditional roles, no feelings that women are weaker in any way, shape, form or fashion, and no feelings that women, either in particular or in general, use sex to control men in any way.

You pretty much have to be a nutcase to score a zero, because everyone has had some of these experiences which lead them to a few of these conclusions.

Many of you scored lower on the sexist scale than I did...so read it subjectively and do comparisons of your own scores to the average score of your country. Remember it also tests bias....and bias can be as simple as preferring slacks over dresses.

Or pink collars over leather collars.

So far, most of you scored as less sexist than societal norm.

[roadmissile]

You pretty much have to be a nutcase to score a zero, because everyone has had some of these experiences which lead them to a few of these conclusions.

Hey now, be nice to the fuckhead.

/RM

[Mean Chuck]

Oh, on the sexist test....the numbers start at zero meaning NO KIND OF SEXISM WHATSOEVER....which also includes no influence to prefer traditional roles, no feelings that women are weaker in any way, shape, form or fashion, and no feelings that women, either in particular or in general, use sex to control men in any way.

You pretty much have to be a nutcase to score a zero, because everyone has had some of these experiences which lead them to a few of these conclusions.

Many of you scored lower on the sexist scale than I did...so read it subjectively and do comparisons of your own scores to the average score of your country. Remember it also tests bias....and bias can be as simple as preferring slacks over dresses.

Or pink collars over leather collars.

So far, most of you scored as less sexist than societal norm.

Everyone please take the biased sexism test so we can properly label ourselves and them compare our labeling.

I need no labels thank you, I also do not need a test to tell me who I am or how I treat people, life is enough of a test and I already know my score.

[Caliann]

You pretty much have to be a nutcase to score a zero, because everyone has had some of these experiences which lead them to a few of these conclusions.

Hey now, be nice to the fuckhead.

/RM

Okay....if you HONESTLY scored a 0, you're probably a nutcase or reared very, very, VERY kindly.... do your parents happen to be a couple of quad PhD's who brought you up while they were traveling on research expeditions in the Amazon Basin?

However, if you BEAT the test, because you are smart enough to figure out how to score a zero, you are just smart.

I can score a 0 without thinking twice about it, but I decided I wanted to see how it went with my own viewpoint.

[roadmissile]

First off, I honestly tried to just take the test, and sort of expected to score something high.

My parents divorced when I was five, my father beat my mother and he died when I was fifteen.

So great, I'm a nutcase.

/RM

[Miss Anthropik]

I actually found a copy of the full test and how it's scored.

It actually states "NON-SEXISTS (below 2.5 on both HS and BS) tend to be more egalitarian"

http://www.lawrence.edu/fast/glickp/asi.html


e·gal·i·tar·i·an (-gl-târ-n) KEY

ADJECTIVE:

Affirming, promoting, or characterized by belief in equal political, economic, social, and civil rights for all people.

[Caliann]

So great, I'm a nutcase.

/RM

Well, at least I am in good company.

No one has ever accused me of sanity yet.

[Caliann]

Thank you, Miss Anthropik, for putting that into perspective.

It has been a busy couple of days, and I haven't had the time to go hunting for the methods so that I could prove those that were scoring 0.72 (or something similar) on one of the scales were not being told by the test that they were sexist.

[srg]

Hostile Sexism Score: 0.18
Benevolent Sexism Score: 4.45

o - O ?

[Rabbit_Fighter]

Decided to kill a few minutes and was really blown away by how bullshit that test is.

Hostile Sexism Score: 1.18
Benevolent Sexism Score: 1.36


All of the benevolent shit was just silly.

Do I think a man should put the woman of his life on a pedestal. Yeah.

Do I think a woman should put the man of her life on a pedestal. Yeah.

Do I think a (lesbian) woman should put the woman of her life on a pedestal. Hell yeah.

Adoration does not necessarily mean sexism in any sense of the word. My turn for a back rub, yo!

[roadmissile]

Adoration does not necessarily mean sexism in any sense of the word. My turn for a back rub, yo!

Interesting. I always took the 'put on a pedestal' line to mean something along the lines of far above oneself, which to me precludes the particulars of an equitable relationship. Thus why I would answer in the negative to all three of the questions you just posed.

/RM

[wheezy e]

If I think that typically both men and women tend to put each other on a tight leash once married in a relatively equal way & I answer honestly yes, women tend to put men on a tight leash, I kinda understand how it's going to turn out. If I answer "no" meaning no more than men on average I'm not really being honest, or am I?

I tried to be as honest as I could & ended up with a 1.73 hostile and 3.18 benevolent. If I readjusted my answers to simply reflect that no I don't think that women do ____ (ANY MORE THAN MEN DO THE SAME) etc... I got a score of .27 hostile and 1.45 benevolent.

People are rotten. women are people. therefore, I am sexist.

[Rabbit_Fighter]

I scored pretty low on both sides, but would have failed miserably if they actually asked the right question.

"When a woman beats you at a game or athletic activity, does it bother you more than being beaten by a man."

Instead, they ask this horseshit question about "when you beat a woman, does she think she's being discriminated against." Just because I don't think that women are all a bunch of whiners, doesn't mean I don't have any sexist attitudes when it comes to competition.

I'm guessing that most men here (enlightened as we are) take being beat by a woman a little bit harder. I fully recognize that there are a lot of women who could kick my ass at a lot of things. Burly butch women, cute and petite . . . they'd kick my ass and I'm totally okay with it. I still take it differently then I would from a man.

[xtian]

I'm not sure the goal of the exercice is to get both to 0 here...
or you could go on with questions..
"do you think a girl should have less hair on her legs than a man or more hair"
"do you considerla girl should have the equal right to grow a mustache"
"would you feel threaten in your manhood if your girldfriend had a bigger penis than yours?"