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Post by guitargeek » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:27 am

RevCBL wrote:@GG: I agree with George Carlin, actually. It's all about context. Unfortunately, on the internet, we have less context than we do face to face, so people have to judge us based on that.
This is not the internet, this is the UTMC.

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And once again, I'm not calling for a ban on anything or, really, asking anyone to do anything at all. Just stating an opinion. It's your choice whether to think about it.
Really? 'Cause it kinda sounds like passive-aggressive manipulation: an attempt to shame people into modifying their behavior.

But only kinda.
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...

how many of those terms would you drop into casual conversation?
Depends on the context, doesn't it?

Oh fuck, here comes another long, boring bullshit screed from fuckin' hillbilly Chomsky...

Let's take "okie", for instance. That's a word with some subtext and history. (Ever read any Steinbeck?) During the dust bowl, lots of okies fled to California in search of work. The locals would often spit the word out as if we were the most vile, contemptible thing imaginable, yet today many of us self-identify as okies, even wear it like a badge of honor. Sorta like being Irish. Life was real fuckin' hard here for a long time, so people had to toughen up, get stoic and either get religion or a very keen sense of humor. I once bought my mom (Rev. Belshe) a t-shirt that read I'M AN OKLAHOMA GIRL AND I'LL KICK YOUR ASS. She got a good laugh out of it. In Oklahoma, "okie" has many connotations but chances are slim that you'll offend an okie by calling him such... unless you're from Texas, and then you'd better smile when you say it.

"Nigger" is a word that I heard my dad, uncle, brother and grampa say a lot when I was growing up, and they didn't mean it in the nice way, either. These men were straight up racist. Sexist and homophobic, too. My great grand uncle was the federal marshal in Cement, Oklahoma a hundred years ago, and he was some sort of regional official in the KKK. Even though I was exposed to these attitudes as a kid, it didn't stick to me. I didn't have anything against black people, still don't. I was even called "nigger lover" in school because I simply didn't feel negatively toward a person or group of people based on the color of their skin. I worked on my dad for years, talking to him about this stuff and he eventually changed (see? passive-aggressive manipulation). I knew he didn't really feel that way about people, and he came to realize it as well. I've actually been surprised at the degree of empathy he regularly exhibits.

So no, I don't say "nigger" unless it's used ironically in a conversation with someone I know, someone who shares the same frame of reference with me and understands exactly the subtext that goes along with my utterance of such a heavily charged word. Put it this way: My white guilt is sufficiently developed that I hesitate to refer to a person by their ethnicity if I have to describe them physically.

It's much the same with the word "gay". Both words bear an enormous emotional burden, and are thus very powerful words that can hurt people if used improperly. "Nigger" and "faggot" are labels that've been used to differentiate groups of people as somehow different from "normal people".

The etymology of "nigger" is still debated (last I heard), but "gay" just meant happy and carefree for centuries. Are we to now accept that "gay" only means "homosexual"?

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Post by Metalredneck » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:56 am

I don't care what you fuck, you're all a bunch of queens. Which is why I love you all.
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Re: On ghey (and regional variants), use thereof

Post by Vespalina » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:04 am

Jaeger wrote: p.s.: Boobies!
Jaeger said BOOBIES! HORRAY FOR BOOBIES!

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Post by Caliann » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:09 am

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Post by stiles » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:28 am

Who doesn't love teh cock?

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Post by Caliann » Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:39 am

At any rate, I get what our good Reverend is attempting to say.

If I call someone a "nigger" on the interwebs, does it matter if I spell it "nigger", "nigga" or "niggar"? If I say, "Oh, you N-word, you", is anyone going to have any doubt as to what I am saying?

Therefore, does it make it any more or less acceptable to spell a word as "gay", "ghey", "motorpsycho67", or "gae"? It's still the same word, no matter how one spells or misspells it.

If calling someone/something a "nigga" isn't any more acceptable than calling someone/something a "nigger"; then calling someone/something "ghey" is not any more acceptable than calling someone/something "gay".

Have I got that right, Rev?
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Post by Sisyphus » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:14 pm

Shouldn't that have an "h" on the end?
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Post by Gauss » Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:50 pm

RevCBL wrote:[a) If they really mean the same thing, why not just say lame?
the term "Lame" is offensive to people with disabilities....so that is a no-no too.

It is a sad shame that we strip and sterilize our language just to placate the easility offended...just to keep from pissing off a few overly sensitive, retarded, gay, pussy bitches. (the population of which are equally distributed accross sex, race, religious and sexual preference, BTW)

:cry: That makes me feel bad :cry:

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Post by Gauss » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:08 pm

The word "gay" has lots of different meanings...

1) Happy
2) Homosexual
3) Weird/lame: something odd /derogatory...

Some people assume that when we say that's "gay" it must mean that we are equating homosexuality with weird/lame...derrision (nobody uses it for haoppy anymore)...at least that is the only reason I can think of that would explain why some people would think I am somehow homophobic by saying "this fucking thread is gay"

Spelling it "ghey" is just a way to use the word in terms of definition 3 without getting people in a tizzy...an attempt to placate the whiny masses...stupid, I agree...easily offended people are going to be offended no matter what...but it is an attempt to not give into social liguistic bullying while still altering the term enough to clarify the intention of the speaker in the hopes of keeping the annoyingly sensitive from getting their nipples in a twist

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Post by Gauss » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:36 pm

My guess is definition 1 predates both 2 and 3...Language evolves. Historic roots, or origins of a word's definition should not be used to narrowly define their current definition.

Thinking like that will just force us all to revert to making low gutteral noises while pointing.
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Post by Flatline » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:36 pm

Gauss wrote:The word "gay" has lots of different meanings...

3) Weird/lame: something odd /derogatory...


Spelling it "ghey" is just a way to use the word in terms of definition 3 without getting people in a tizzy...an attempt to placate the whiny masses...stupid, I agree...easily offended people are going to be offended no matter what...but it is an attempt to not give into social liguistic bullying while still altering the term enough to clarify the intention of the speaker in the hopes of keeping the annoyingly sensitive from getting their nipples in a twist
Now, not to split hairs, but isn't that why "queer" is to be used?
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Post by Gauss » Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:01 pm

Flatline wrote:Now, not to split hairs, but isn't that why "queer" is to be used?
I've heard "queer" being used both ways too....in both cases, somewhat interchangable.

Is there a politically correct synonyms usage handbook that lists which should be used in what cases?
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Post by DerGolgo » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:20 pm

BTW, "lame" is derogatory and offensive towards the differently-abled.
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Post by motorpsycho67 » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:27 pm

RevCBL wrote: a) If they really mean the same thing, why not just say lame?
1) Because I've been using the word in that context for years and see no reason to change it
2) You're the first to have a problem with it

RevCBL wrote: b) I'm not the one taking this personally.

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Post by Caliann » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:53 pm

Gauss wrote:My guess is definition 1 predates both 2 and 3...Language evolves. Historic roots, or origins of a word's definition should not be used to narrowly define their current definition.
"When King James II saw the new St. Paul’s Cathedral, designed by Sir Christopher Wren, he described it as amusing, awful, and artificial. The King meant no offense, and presumably none was taken, because those words then denoted pleasing, awesome (i.e. awe-inspiring), and skilfully achieved, respectively."

It is true that language evolves and changes....we are not static beings. However, with the particular word being discussed, I find it interesting to note HOW people wish to change the definition.

"Usage note:
In addition to its original and continuing senses of “merry, lively” and “bright or showy,” gay has had various senses dealing with sexual conduct since the 17th century. A gay woman was a prostitute, a gay man a womanizer, a gay house a brothel. This sexual world included homosexuals too, and gay as an adjective meaning “homosexual” goes back at least to the early 1900s. After World War II, as social attitudes toward sexuality began to change, gay was applied openly by homosexuals to themselves, first as an adjective and later as a noun. Today, the noun often designates only a male homosexual: gays and lesbians. The word has ceased to be slang and is not used disparagingly. Homosexual as a noun is sometimes used only in reference to a male."

Why should we take a word that has changed from descriptive, to disparaging, to back to descriptive...and make it disparaging again? We don't have enough disparaging words to communicate our negative feelings, and we need to add more?

Besides, we are so good at coming up with INVENTIVE words. What can be more descriptive than "twatwaffle"?
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Post by DerGolgo » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:06 pm

Caliann wrote: What can be more descriptive than "twatwaffle"?
Noun

twat (plural twats)
(vulgar, slang) A vagina, pussy, vulva, clitoris
Oh, I would have expected better of you of all people!
We might as well go back to calling people "cunts".
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Post by Caliann » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:16 pm

DerGolgo wrote: Oh, I would have expected better of you of all people!
We might as well go back to calling people "cunts".
*laughs* I have my pet peeves, but "cunt" is not one of them. I don't see how calling someone a cunt is any better or worse than calling someone a dick.

"Hopefully" drives me bat-shit crazy, though.
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Post by roadmissile » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:25 pm

Caliann wrote:"Hopefully" drives me bat-shit crazy, though.
Hopefully one day you can come to terms with that :P

We have a member who's wife bakes cookies that read 'cunt flap', expect irreverence.

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Post by Flatline » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:27 pm

Caliann wrote: "Hopefully" drives me bat-shit crazy, though.
Please explain that one.
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Post by leftlaneguy » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:30 pm

Okay;

To put this one to bed-

I understand what Rev is saying. BUT the whole internet, text thing has forced a change. The whole reason that the word 'GAY' has morphed into 'GHEY' on the interwebs is to usurp filters. Now, in conversation, the words sound the same. In TEXT, it is obviously a different word, which is why it's mis-spelled on boards now. GAY is homosexual. GHEY (and variations of) mean lame/stupid/outrageous/etc. It is an accepted thing in today's youth.

It is the same thing as Nigger/Nigga... The 'er' makes it a perjorative, the 'a' makes it acceptable (at least to black-folk) In conversation, those two words sound alike, but are obviously different. Black folk DO NOT use the word 'Nigger'. It is still offensive. 'Nigga' is a term alot like 'okie'... Used by the sub-group it pertains to, historically, but with a 'twist' to "take it back"..


In conversation, i'd tend to agree with REV... But on the board, and interwebs, GHEY is what it is... Not homosexual in nature, just 'bad/in poor taste/etc...
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Post by Sisyphus » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:10 pm

DerGolgo wrote:BTW, "lame" is derogatory and offensive towards the differently-abled.
So a lame horse is somehow offensive to someone in a wheelchair? A lame excuse diminishes the same person's worth? How about a lame argument?

It isn't derogatory. You want derogatory, use "crippled."
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Post by DerGolgo » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:18 pm

Sisyphus wrote:
DerGolgo wrote:BTW, "lame" is derogatory and offensive towards the differently-abled.
So a lame horse is somehow offensive to someone in a wheelchair? A lame excuse diminishes the same person's worth? How about a lame argument?

It isn't derogatory. You want derogatory, use "crippled."
Okay, I'll give you that.
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Post by Caliann » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:33 pm

Flatline wrote:
Caliann wrote: "Hopefully" drives me bat-shit crazy, though.
Please explain that one.
Copy-editor in me.

The phrase that word is attempting to replace, and is used instead of, is "It is to be hoped..."

How do you get "hopefully" out of "It is to be hoped ..." ?

If you write the meaning out, it makes no sense.

"Hopefully I will get this new job."

"Full of hope I will get this new job."

"It is to be hoped I will get this new job."

It is simply one of my pet peeves, proving to me once again that the world went to hell the day they stopped teaching penmanship in grade schools.


:D :D :D

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Post by Rench » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:37 pm

Oddly enough, I'm with Rev. Say it if you mean it, but then again, so many others have demonstrated how over time, all pejoritives become essentially harmless. "This sucks," et al. Fascinating.

Anyway, I'm only in this because as long as we're talking pejoratives, and I saw Beemer Dan (through a quotation) refer to "wetbax," I thought of a new one I learned on my North Dakota trip.

"Frostbacks," for Canadians.

Teehee...I like that one.

Out of the serious thread for me... :mrgreen:

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Post by smashinator » Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:45 pm

Caliann wrote: "Hopefully" drives me bat-shit crazy, though.
Never considered "Hopefully" an evil word, though I do my best to avoid any word with an "-ly" unless there isn't any other choice. I'll be careful to stop using that one.

And while we're on the topic of bad penmanship and lingual pet peeves, the word "utilize" is a sure sign of an asshole who wants to look fancy. Don't use it. Insted, consider the word "use." It means the same thing, only you don't sound like a pretentious, corporate fucktard who found a thesaurus.


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Post by Caliann » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:14 pm

smashinator wrote: And while we're on the topic of bad penmanship and lingual pet peeves, the word "utilize" is a sure sign of an asshole who has been in the Army, and had the word shoved up his or her nose for 3 months. After such brainwashing, it takes a strength of will not to say that one is going to "utilize the latrine" or "utilize the D-Fac".
Fixed.
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Post by guitargeek » Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:21 pm

smashinator wrote:Insted
Hopefully, you'll utilize correct spelling in the future.
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