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Avatar vs. the Pope- Round 1

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Post by erosvamp » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:51 am

I haven't noticed a big spiritual movement towards Pantheism and/ or Taoism. Maybe the Vatican is just confusing us environmental folks with those pagan heathens they hate so much.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/1 ... 19949.html


VATICAN CITY — The Vatican newspaper and radio station have called the film "Avatar" simplistic, and criticized it for flirting with modern doctrines that promote the worship of nature as a substitute for religion.

L'Osservatore Romano and Vatican Radio dedicated ample coverage to James Cameron's big-grossing, 3-D spectacle. But the reviews were lukewarm, calling the movie superficial in its eco-message, despite groundbreaking visual effects.

L'Osservatore said the film "gets bogged down by a spiritualism linked to the worship of nature." Similarly, Vatican Radio said it "cleverly winks at all those pseudo-doctrines that turn ecology into the religion of the millennium."

"Nature is no longer a creation to defend, but a divinity to worship," the radio said.

Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said that while the movie reviews are just that – film criticism, with no theological weight – they do reflect Pope Benedict XVI's views on the dangers of turning nature into a "new divinity."

Benedict has often spoken about the need to protect the environment, earning the nickname of "green pope." But he has sometimes balanced that call with a warning against neo-paganism.

In a recent World Day of Peace message, the pontiff warned against any notions that equate human person and other living things. He said such notions "open the way to a new pantheism tinged with neo-paganism, which would see the source of man's salvation in nature alone."

The Vatican newspaper occasionally likes to comment in its cultural pages on movies or pop culture icons, as it did recently about "The Simpsons" or U2. In one famous instance, several Vatican officials spoke out against "The Da Vinci Code."

In this case, the reviews came out after a red carpet preview held in Rome just a stone's throw from St. Peter's Square. The movie will be released Friday in Italy.

The story of the tall blue creatures who inhabit Pandora and contend with humans intent on grabbing the resources of their planet has made over $1.1 billion at box offices worldwide. Partly boosted by higher 3-D ticket prices, "Avatar" looks well on its way to becoming the biggest grossing movie of all time.

"So much stupefying, enchanting technology, but few genuine emotions," said L'Osservatore Romano, which devoted three articles to "Avatar" in its Sunday editions.

L'Osservatore Romano said the movie's plot is unoriginal and its message not new. It faulted Cameron for taking a "bland approach."

"He tells the story without going deep into it, and ends up falling into sappiness," it said.

Vatican Radio did say, however, that "really never before have such surprising images been seen," while L'Osservatore said the movie's worth lies in its "extraordinary visual impact."


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Post by Guder » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:59 am

I don't see it as a slam, it's the exact same review everyone else has given, except the vatican is worried about nature cutting into it's graft.

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Post by Sisyphus » Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:54 pm

They view it as a threat. Apparently they see something in it that most of us wouldn't have given a thought to because it's a fairy tale, a made-up story with heroes and villians fighting over something with all of a specific group ultimately at risk of perishing.

Funny that, the pot calling the kettle black.

I've also heard of criticism leveled at the movie for it's racist undertones.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/1 ... 18155.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/willh ... ward-2009/

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Post by SomeMook » Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:52 pm

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Post by roadmissile » Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:24 pm

SomeMook wrote:Image
ROFL, Shot with arrows! yo.

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Post by motorpsycho67 » Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:59 pm

Rev wrote:Holy crap, the Catholics are against paganism?!

Yeah, that is pretty damn funny.

You know, with the Xmas thing and all.
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Post by GeekGrl » Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:40 pm

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That is fecking hilarious!
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Post by Jaeger » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:14 am

Rev wrote:
Double holy crap, a reviewer thought Avatar was bland?!!!

Must be a slow outrage week over at the Huffington Post.

You joke...
Fucking CNN wrote: (CNN) -- James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora....

...A user named Mike wrote on the fan Web site "Naviblue" that he contemplated suicide after seeing the movie.

"Ever since I went to see 'Avatar' I have been depressed. Watching the wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na'vi made me want to be one of them. I can't stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers I got from it," Mike posted. "I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora and the everything is the same as in 'Avatar.' "...
http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/ ... =allsearch

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Post by piccini9 » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:40 am

Our culture is deeply confused.

If by "deeply confused" you mean "really stupid" then I agree.

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Post by roadmissile » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:40 am

Jaeger wrote:Avatar ennui. Our culture is deeply confused.
Your post made me want to find this 'Mike' and do him a favor...

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Post by Jaeger » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:10 am

Piccini and RM, I agree with both of you wholeheartedly.

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Post by Jaeger » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:21 am

Rev wrote:I kinda feel that way about Mad Max.
You live in Baltimore -- you already have essential anarchy, fights over resources, and a great deal of guns and violence.

WTF more you want? Master-Blaster? Go sit on Rock or Baloo's shoulders. And you can't possibly have any problems finding someone to play Tina Turner...

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Post by erosvamp » Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:31 pm

Fucking CNN wrote: (CNN) -- James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora....

...A user named Mike wrote on the fan Web site "Naviblue" that he contemplated suicide after seeing the movie.

"Ever since I went to see 'Avatar' I have been depressed. Watching the wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na'vi made me want to be one of them. I can't stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers I got from it," Mike posted. "I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora and the everything is the same as in 'Avatar.' "...


I would like to slap Mike across the face.
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Post by Sisyphus » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:34 pm

^ And I'd like to slap the shit-for-brains producer who thought that Mike actually had something to contribute to the discussion. Why don't they also repeat comments like so-and-so now has a sexual craving for blue people with flat faces and tails?
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Post by Davros » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:37 pm

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Rev wrote:I kinda feel that way about Mad Max.
You live in Baltimore -- you already have essential anarchy, fights over resources, and a great deal of guns and violence.

WTF more you want? Master-Blaster? Go sit on Rock or Baloo's shoulders. And you can't possibly have any problems finding someone to play Tina Turner...

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Post by erosvamp » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:01 pm

Sisyphus wrote:^ And I'd like to slap the shit-for-brains producer who thought that Mike actually had something to contribute to the discussion. Why don't they also repeat comments like so-and-so now has a sexual craving for blue people with flat faces and tails?
Yes, there is that too...
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Post by GeekGrl » Thu Jan 14, 2010 1:42 am

Fucking CNN wrote: (CNN) -- James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora....

...A user named Mike wrote on the fan Web site "Naviblue" that he contemplated suicide after seeing the movie.

"Ever since I went to see 'Avatar' I have been depressed. Watching the wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na'vi made me want to be one of them. I can't stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers I got from it," Mike posted. "I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora and the everything is the same as in 'Avatar.' "...
Ah, yet another sign of how CNN has fallen (can you really keep falling when you're that deep in the hole?)... they took that SERIOUSLY? Remove CNN's lead-in, and it reads more like someone taking the piss out of the movie ... but if it isn't a piss-take, then Mike really needs to move out of his parent's basement or up the voltage on his electro-shock treatments.
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Post by FastCat » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:10 am

I would not characterize it as "depression" but I definitely was conflicted after watching this movie, yeah, yeah, the story is predictable and "dances with blue people" and all that - but the geek in me was pondering the concept that the whole nerve-bundle-in-the-ponytail thing might be the sort of direction that humans had evolved into if we had skipped the whole industrial-revolution thing.

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Post by srg » Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:56 pm

this just proves that religion is a dying and exceedingly outdated doctrine.
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