Epic quickdraw fail

Rabbit_Fighter · Post by **Rabbit_Fighter** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:32 am

Okay, so maybe there are rare circumstances . . . but only one comes to mind.

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Zer0 · Post by **Zer0** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:40 am

And the asshole of the month award goes to . . .

Rabbit Fighter

Rabbit_Fighter · Post by **Rabbit_Fighter** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 11:57 am

Zer0 wrote:

And the asshole of the month award goes to . . .

Rabbit Fighter

Well, nobody bought my KZ.

Zer0 · Post by **Zer0** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:21 pm

Well then it's official. The Aug 2011 UTMC asshole pinup boy is you, Wabbit. Celebrate it.

No more Ratt videos.

aikiboy · Post by **aikiboy** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 3:58 pm

I always figured training empty hand technique was the way to go. Guns are for distance. There are a fair number of videos on Youtube and other places showing that at a starting distance around 22 feet a fast guy with a knife has a better than even chance if noticed and a very good chance if given the element of surprise when attacking a man with a gun. The odds improve if the attacker is closer.

That said, I always wanted to learn to use a gun, just never got around to it.

roadmissile · Post by **roadmissile** » Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:38 pm

aikiboy wrote:I always figured training empty hand technique was the way to go. Guns are for distance. There are a fair number of videos on Youtube and other places showing that at a starting distance around 22 feet a fast guy with a knife has a better than even chance if noticed and a very good chance if given the element of surprise when attacking a man with a gun. The odds improve if the attacker is closer.

That said, I always wanted to learn to use a gun, just never got around to it.

I thought it had already been mentioned, but this is entirely a technique for when something has gone pear shaped. If you're comfortable and practiced with it then you have something more in your toolbox to potentially even the odds against that fast guy.

I'm curious what your idea of training empty hand technique would entail. The years of study required to defend against potentially much larger attackers, much less those with knives or clubs aren't always a viable path for law enforcement professionals.

And that Hoffa quote only applies if you either don't have a firearm yourself or have no avenue of cover/escape

/RM

WeAintFoundShit · Post by **WeAintFoundShit** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:18 pm

A friend of mine just shot and killed someone who was breaking into his ex wife and children's home. It was a fairly drawn out, long lasting scenario before the shots were fired, involving multiple break in attempts and the unwillingness of the perpetrator to communicate in any way, which ultimately lead to his death.
Sadly, this being California, my friend now faces prison time.

Make of all that what you will.

Bigshankhank · Post by **Bigshankhank** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:07 am

WeAintFoundShit wrote:A friend of mine just shot and killed someone who was breaking into his ex wife and children's home. It was a fairly drawn out, long lasting scenario before the shots were fired, involving multiple break in attempts and the unwillingness of the perpetrator to communicate in any way, which ultimately lead to his death.
Sadly, this being California, my friend now faces prison time.

Make of all that what you will.

If it was fairly drawn out and long lasting, why didn't the police make it there prior to shots fired?

Sisyphus · Post by **Sisyphus** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:14 am

^ LoL... Because they don't give a shit, that's why.

roadmissile · Post by **roadmissile** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:12 am

Sisyphus wrote:^ LoL... Because they don't give a shit, that's why.

Exactly, the police aren't meant to stop crime, they're more like the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff

That blows about your friend Kimball, without specifics all I can say is it sucks not having the law on your side, and in Cali you don't.

/RM

Bigshankhank · Post by **Bigshankhank** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 9:17 am

Sisyphus wrote:^ LoL... Because they don't give a shit, that's why.

Is that a problem in your area, or just a universal truth about police? Were they even contacted in this event? Police dispatch records every conversation, especially ones with "afraid for my life" and "gun" in them. If they were notified, and failed to respond in a timely manner thus forcing a citizen to use deadly force during a prolonged standoff, said citizen would be wise to notify an attorney of such misdeeds.
Then again, some people like the idea of plugging a home invader and don't need no fucking cops because they don't give a shit anyway, in which case one deserves what the justice system metes out.
WAFS, I don't know the situation your friend was/is in, its a shame that he or anyone is unable to defend themselves in an instance such as this without fear of reprisal from a disaffected System. At least he can take comfort in knowing that he has prevented this particular criminal from becoming a repeat offender.

roadmissile · Post by **roadmissile** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:42 pm

Bigshankhank wrote:
Sisyphus wrote:^ LoL... Because they don't give a shit, that's why.
Is that a problem in your area, or just a universal truth about police? Were they even contacted in this event? Police dispatch records every conversation, especially ones with "afraid for my life" and "gun" in them. If they were notified, and failed to respond in a timely manner thus forcing a citizen to use deadly force during a prolonged standoff, said citizen would be wise to notify an attorney of such misdeeds.

What I said about the police not being meant to actually stop the crime? In numerous legal battles across the country it has been established that police cannot be held responsible for failing to stop a crime in progress.

That said without knowing the time period in question I can tell you that typical response time for a high priority emergency call is over ten minutes, which would probably seem like an eternity while you're holding a firearm on someone.

The real tragedy here is that even if the guy survives any criminal charges he can be hit up in civil court as well.

/RM

Bigshankhank · Post by **Bigshankhank** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:52 pm

I agree on all three of your points. My contention is with the comment that police "don't give a shit" which I realize was not yours.

My wife works in emergency dispatch for the most densly populated county in the USA, and has seen response times lengthen over her ten years in the department. Much of it is due in large part to the actual 911 call center taking longer and longer to dispatch due to "standardization" techniques which limit liability but require the call-taker to ask questions and re-route the call to police/fire/ambulance dispatch centers which then go through their own series of liability limiting questions. In addition, a lot of it has to do with a growing population of people who literally don't know where the fuck they are at any given time. In fact that is one of the primary reasons my wife is no longer a call-taker, she got tired of people screaming at her to "triangulate their position" from the nearest cell tower rather than give an accurate location.
Sadly they don't teach Civics in school anymore.

Sisyphus · Post by **Sisyphus** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:28 pm

While it may or may not be an issue where I live now, it certainly was the case where I had lived in the past. College kids shooting vending machines outside my apartment's front door, the cops show up two and a half hours later. They go upstairs, knock and we can hear the kids running around and the cops come back down and say, "nobody's answering so there's nothing we can do."
Three months later my car is stolen by same group of assholes or buddies of theirs. I get the call to go pick up my car at something like 0200 or something. My girlfriend drives me up there and the cop was sitting in his patrol car while my vehicle was up on someone's front lawn, lights and radio on, wipers on, battery dying, and when I told him that the neighbors were more than likely responsible, he says, and I'm not shitting you here, "You know what I think? I think you left your keys in your apartment door, like you said, some kid came by, probably black, and decided to take your car for a joy ride."

Two years before I did something stupid and stopped five kids from breaking into a car and got my ass kicked for it. I called the cops. They never showed up to take a report until the next day.

So yeah, in my experience the cops don't give a shit.

guitargeek · Post by **guitargeek** » Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:11 am

Where I live, the cops are vestigial at best, so it's easy to say, "fuck tha police" and take matters into my own hands.

I keep a rifle close by.

Post by **Beemer Dan** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:07 pm

Videos like this are the reason I look nervous every time someone boasts that they carry a gun. I know there are plenty of people out there that know how to handle a firearm responsibly in any situation, but I have no way of knowing who is who half of the time. I'm in agreement with Rev on this one.

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